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Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

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Fasdmama · Yesterday 10:57

I've seen this a few times and I dont know what is the right thing to do.
So the other week we were at the cinema. I took my daughter to the toilet and as I was waiting for her a man came out of a cubicle with a little girl and went to wash her hands.
It got me thinking.
I feel uncomfortable a man in the womens toilet. I understand how you'd potentially feel uncomfortable taking a daughter into the mens toilets.
And the only other option in this situation was the disabled toilet but morally thats wrong.

I dont know what I feel is right in this situation so wanted to know other people's opinions.
So yabu: its right for a man to take girl into female toilets
Yanbu: he should take her somewhere else...but where?

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Gloriia · Yesterday 12:41

Men should not go in women's public toilets. My dh managed to look after our dc when out without having to go in the ladies.

Find a unisex space, family room whatever. Or, the dc are with their parent so going in a cubicle in the men's is fine. If I ever see a man in the ladies I'll helpfully suggest any of these very common sense options.

Do women march into the men's with their sons? Nope.

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:41

wow217 · Yesterday 12:39

I was at the swimming pool with my 4y.o. A mum and her son aged around 9 came in the changing room. I felt uncomfortable but if I say anything I'll get flamed on her and everywhere else. My husband cannot take her to the swimming pool, where would they change? There is need for more family rooms/loos etc.
Edit to add: my daughter is female, she goes into her designated room. Her father is just to help her. No way is she going to men's rooms. This is utterly ridiculous.

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A 9 year old should be able to go into the men’s on their own unless they have special needs or something and can use the disabled changing room. In my swimming pool there are signs up everywhere saying boys over 8 no longer allowed in the women’s . And that’s fair enough I think as a mother of boys .

Grendel7 · Yesterday 12:41

Kingdomofsleep · Yesterday 11:18

My dh takes dd into the men's or into a family changing if there's a loo in there. He would never dream of going into the ladies', he'd feel like it was a creepy thing to do.

My dd is 6 now and can go into the ladies in her own. (It's not much different to going to the loo at school.) I'd be enraged if she was in there and a Dad went in.

Men should not go into the ladies'.

Its creepier to take a girl into a stinky cesspit where men stand in a line exposing themselves!!
No. I am firmly with team take into ladies loo. We are more civilized and prefer to wee in private not public so we have cubicles; nothing for the dad to see. FGS!

RoaryLion1 · Yesterday 12:41

Random321 · Yesterday 12:32

I don't believe anything is going to happen but a young girl shouldn't have to go in there if she doesn't want.

She doesn't have to worry about seeing men at urinals or feeling she's in the wrong place.

Surely a child should be prioritised over grown women?

There are lots of things my children don’t want to do, but I teach them to do them because they have to. There is no safety reason why DH cannot take DD into a men’s toilet. I am not going to ask my adult DH to impose himself on women-only spaces (where, incidentally, other young girls may be using the toilet - should they have to use the toilet around a ‘strange man’?), for no good reason.

LilacBalloons · Yesterday 12:41

I'd much rather a man took his daughter into the women's than a little girl had to go into the men's. If there is no family bathroom a dad can, imo, knock and loudly announce that he's bringing his daughter in.

goldenpanda · Yesterday 12:40

MrDobbs · Yesterday 12:34

When my daughter was younger I used to try and take her to the disabled toilets where possible. In many cases, these were just marked as disabled toilets not family/baby change, so it is misuse and I understand the perspective of people who consider this unacceptable.

I have taken her to the men's a couple of times but frankly, most mens toilet cubicles are disgusting and she was also less comfortable in a group of unfamiliar men than women at nursery age, probably because all her nursery practitioners were female.

I have never used the women's. I am just glad that she's now 6 and I can send her in to the women's toilets alone and my younger child is a boy so don't have to deal with this question anymore.

I have seen this with my children: more comfortable with groups of women they don’t know than men they don’t know. I think it might be instinctive.

Dithercats · Yesterday 12:40

Whippets81 · Yesterday 12:39

I’m disabled and the absolute right thing to do is to use the disabled toilet. It’s absolutely fine for this. Men shouldn’t be in women’s toilets - little girls shouldn’t be in the men’s toilets.

It absolutely is a problem with men out with their little girls. I remember my dad saying he found it awkward knowing what to do when I was little and I’m 45 now but he wouldn’t have dreamt of going in the ladies.

You don't get to decide its ok for all disabled people

wow217 · Yesterday 12:39

I was at the swimming pool with my 4y.o. A mum and her son aged around 9 came in the changing room. I felt uncomfortable but if I say anything I'll get flamed on her and everywhere else. My husband cannot take her to the swimming pool, where would they change? There is need for more family rooms/loos etc.
Edit to add: my daughter is female, she goes into her designated room. Her father is just to help her. No way is she going to men's rooms. This is utterly ridiculous.

Whippets81 · Yesterday 12:39

I’m disabled and the absolute right thing to do is to use the disabled toilet. It’s absolutely fine for this. Men shouldn’t be in women’s toilets - little girls shouldn’t be in the men’s toilets.

It absolutely is a problem with men out with their little girls. I remember my dad saying he found it awkward knowing what to do when I was little and I’m 45 now but he wouldn’t have dreamt of going in the ladies.

FourSevenFive · Yesterday 12:38

Duckduckgander · Yesterday 12:36

And what if the female child isn't comfortable with that? Why do adult female's comfort and preferences trump those of a child's ? I'm really astounding by the double standards on this thread.

So mothers should take 6-7 yo boys to men's if the boy would be more comfortable with that?

Shimmerandshine21 · Yesterday 12:38

I don’t know if I’m missing something but I really don’t see the issue with this. Women’s toilets all, to my knowledge, have individual cubicles, so the most a man would see a female - adult or child doing, is washing their hands??? If a young girls went to the men’s the urinals are open to all - and smelly and grim. I think I’d be a bit surprised but it wouldn’t bother me. How is it different to places havung unisex toilets? Obviously a man loitering in the ladies with or without a child would be a concern but they’d be a concern anyway!

Grendel7 · Yesterday 12:37

Daffodilsinthespring · Yesterday 11:08

Absolutely no man should ever be in ladies’ loos. Disabled or gents.

Why? We all use cubicles don't we? Nothing to see here!
Surely its better than submitting little girls to men with their bits out and that stink!!
I always took grandsons into ladies toilets till they were older,whats the difference?

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:37

Crow55 · Yesterday 12:34

Your child your choice. My child my choice.

Yes but your choice is based on a ridiculous fear of absolutely nothing plus is incredibly selfish towards other women . If a little
girl shouldn’t be in there neither should a little boy . Little girls don’t need to be wrapped in cotton wool .

FourSevenFive · Yesterday 12:37

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:28

I’m saying that girls have rights too. She has been hardly considered but she’s the one that needs a safe, private toilet.

And she will get a safe, private cubicle when her father takes her to the men's.

The young boys have rights as well.
In your logic, should fathers bring their boys to women's (to avoid going through men's), or mothers their boys to men's (because boys have rights too)?

Duckduckgander · Yesterday 12:36

Greyhound98 · Yesterday 12:32

Men should take their daughters in to the men’s loos if their daughter is not old enough to go in the ladies alone. Cover their eyes if they feel they have to, or have a quick look in before going in with the child to make sure no bloke is stood there with his pants round his ankles, which wouldn’t be appropriate for a boy child either 🤷‍♀️

And what if the female child isn't comfortable with that? Why do adult female's comfort and preferences trump those of a child's ? I'm really astounding by the double standards on this thread.

goldenpanda · Yesterday 12:36

MiceSpiders · Yesterday 11:02

It doesn't make sense to me and seems to be coming out of an American movement online. You don't want you daughter around men in toilets so you a man go into the women's toilets where other people's daughters are

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Yeah this makes no sense. Go to the accessible toilets.

Jimsaidpeoplearestrange · Yesterday 12:35

Sirzy · Yesterday 11:07

Children up to about 8 go into the toilet their parent would normally use with them. Or a family room if one is available.

Disabled toilet should only be used if one of the people using the toilet has a disability.

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they are not for people who can't be bothered to use the correct ones.

RoaryLion1 · Yesterday 12:35

Ilovelurchers · Yesterday 12:25

When I was very little, I am going to guess about five, my dad took my brother and I swimming and used the men's changing rooms, and I saw an adult stranger's penis. It actually did quite disturb and upset me for a while. I am obviously fine now, but it wasn't nice at the time (and we are a family who are fairly comfortable with nudity, so I had glimpsed brother and dad naked before and understood men had different bodies).

Because of the nature of men's toilets, with urinals, I don't think it's OK to take little girls in there and risk them being exposed to full frontal male nudity. It's OK if the gents is cubicle only - that's different.

I also agree that guys shouldn't be in the women's toilets unless there is absolutely no alternative.

Therefore the least worst outcome in this situation is to use the disabled loo (I understand the objections to this, but there is no ideal solution sometimes) . Obviously in many cases this doubles as a family room so that's it's exact purpose! Even when it doesn't, I think using it is the least worst option.

And demand more safe, gender neutral toilets and changing spaces, to acknowledge the fact that dads have daughters, women have sons, people have opposite sex partners who require assistance with toileting, etc etc.

I’m sorry for your experience.

Admittedly I have not spent much time in men’s toilets but I don’t think there is any full frontal nudity though, is there? If there are urinals I don’t really see how full front nudity would happen?!

I think changing rooms are different, but more likely to be family facilities available, or individual cubicles.

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:34

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:33

Yup. Exactly . I went to the men’s changing rooms every week as a child with my dad. Didn’t knock a fidge out of me. Was completely unfazed and unbothered by it , as was my sister .

You’re still not answering the question.

Crow55 · Yesterday 12:34

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:33

Yup. Exactly . I went to the men’s changing rooms every week as a child with my dad. Didn’t knock a fidge out of me. Was completely unfazed and unbothered by it , as was my sister .

Your child your choice. My child my choice.

Dithercats · Yesterday 12:34

Mooselander · Yesterday 11:00

We have two girls. My husband takes them into the disabled toilets.

Why on earth would you think that was “morally wrong”? Confused He certainly wouldn’t take them into the women’s.

Unless one of them is disabled he shouldn't do this.
They are for disabled people....its so frustrating when your colostomy bag is aboit to burst and you cant access the loo for people with kids 💩

CanterThroughChaos · Yesterday 12:34

Children’s safety comes before adults comfort, doesn’t bother me at all, if it’s an issue for you wait until they are done and then use the toilet, just like we would have to do if I needed to take my child into the accessible toilet and it wasn’t being used as intended.

MrDobbs · Yesterday 12:34

When my daughter was younger I used to try and take her to the disabled toilets where possible. In many cases, these were just marked as disabled toilets not family/baby change, so it is misuse and I understand the perspective of people who consider this unacceptable.

I have taken her to the men's a couple of times but frankly, most mens toilet cubicles are disgusting and she was also less comfortable in a group of unfamiliar men than women at nursery age, probably because all her nursery practitioners were female.

I have never used the women's. I am just glad that she's now 6 and I can send her in to the women's toilets alone and my younger child is a boy so don't have to deal with this question anymore.

Orangebadger · Yesterday 12:33

Young children go into the toilet their parent would use. So my 8 yr old DS comes into the women’s with me, in some places he’ll go into the men’s alone. My DD when young went into the men’s with her father.

Tralalalala88 · Yesterday 12:33

NullaEffugium · Yesterday 12:29

So the little girl should pee within ear shot of half a dozen strange men, after having to walk past them while they are partially undressed with their genitalia outside their clothing?

Make it make sense. How is this nothing, but an adult woman seeing a fully clothed dad helping a little girl some kind of horror show?

Yup. Exactly . I went to the men’s changing rooms every week as a child with my dad. Didn’t knock a fidge out of me. Was completely unfazed and unbothered by it , as was my sister .