Aibu feeling uneasy about men taking little girls to the toilet in the womens toilet?

It wouldn’t bother me, I’d rather a little girl come into the women’s than the mens, having to see men peeing in urinals. I dunno about anyone else but I use a locked cubicle to do my business so my privacy wouldn’t be at stake. A man with his little girl is highly unlikely to be a danger to anyone.

There's only one kind of man who will go into a women's toilet, regardless of the reason he may give 🤷‍♀️

This is bringing to mind the Mark Twain quote " Never argue with stupid people............. "

Seriously, he's meant to go to
the men's

I'd argue that the men with SEN I know are far more vulnerable and at risk than any woman that encounters a father taking their daughter to the toilet.

I agree completely about the disabled toilet.

I mean the young man wouldn’t be in danger in a women’s toilet in the same way that a woman could be in danger from a man being in there.

I understand it’s a dilemma but not one that can be solved by making women and girls accommodate it. Again perhaps people need to campaign for
more disabled toilets and also deal with the issue of non disabled people using them

Again, she’s not likely to see anything unless someone is deliberately exposing themselves.

Why would you assume a father is less likely to be creepy? You know most harm is done to children by people in their own family or family friends?

All it shows is that he either doesn’t care about making other women and girls uncomfortable potentially or he hasn’t bothered to think that might be the case.

Yeah he would, so again that's the dilemma that mother's of SEN son's face after the son becomes of a certain age. Fear that they're too vulnerable to go into the mens toilet alone, not wishing to take them into the women's. and being totally reliant on having access to a disabled toilet. Which is why lots of people feel so strongly that any old Tom, Dick or Harry shouldn't be using toilets solely dedicated for disabled people.

It's totally fine of course - I'd much rather my little girl was brought to the ladies than the gents when out and about with her Dad. All this talk of making sure she looks at the ground in the gents is silly. There are cubicles for gods sake

I don’t see an issue with a dad taking a (suitably aged young) girl into ladies, just giving a shout out first to say dad with child type thing, and would far rather that then a little girl have to go into a men’s toilet which are gross, have men ultimately exposing themselves at a urinal (at the level of a child to be at the same level as this), and think the type to be taking his daughter to the ladies bathroom is far less likely to be a creep than the general male population in men’s loos being creepy around a young girl 🤷‍♀️ Also not using disabled unless you / child actually have a disability - that is what they are there for.

But he wouldn’t be in danger in the same way that women could potentially be (from any man).

The point was that people seem to think that a child going into the men’s with her father is going to see penises all over the place and are using that to justify a man going into the ladies

It seems that you have a far more in depth knowledge of what men do in the male toilets than I.

School starts at 4. Don’t think I’d be cool with my 4 year old being on her own in a public place with no eyes on her and the capability of being locked in somewhere, but maybe that’s just me 🤷🏼‍♀️.

Anyway, I’m not looking to enter a debate, you’re allowed to have your opinion and I’m allowed to have mine.

That I can agree with. It's not acceptable to have to take a grown man with SEN into a women's toilets. But to be honest I'm coming to that from his perspective. That it's not something that he'd want. Not because his needs trump anyone else's, but because he may be less able to adapt and be flexible towards others. Hence why more changing places toilets are needed.

And no one has their fanny out in the women’s

But it wouldn’t be acceptable for a woman to bring a grown man into the ladies, even with SEN.

Ah yes - so women have to put up with a strange man in the ladies because his fellow men are dirty bastards. And also because some of them are dangerous.

Men aren’t sitting around with it all hanging out - most of them go in, pee as quickly and discreetly as possible and bugger off (sometimes after washing their hands.

Surely at school age the girls would be able to go in the ladies by themselves anyway.

DH brings DD into the men's toilets, if there are men using the urinals she might see the back of their trousers.

Accessible loos should not be taken up by people who just don't want bring their child to the appropriate toilet for the adult they are with. Generally, there should be more accessible toilets, and baby change facilities with toilets, as in not just plonking the changing tables in the only toilet that some adults can access. Baby change tables need to be in both men's and women's toilets, if we're somewhere new it's interesting to see where is moving with the times and providing good toilet facilities.
Though as @Duckduckgander has said above, many more Changing Places are needed.

Why would I have seen a line of men at urinals.

I was stating my opinion and preference🤷🏼‍♀️. It wouldn’t bother me one bit if I encountered a man with his young daughter in the women’s loo. I don’t get why it would be a bother, they’re clearly there for a specific reason, not just loitering in there to be a perv. School age I probably would care less about my daughter going into the men’s, but as she is still very small, I’d prefer her dad to take her into the women’s as for a start, generally - they are far cleaner.

Exactly, accessible toilets aren't always available. Hence the dilemma of what to do with a vulnerable teen son with SEN who needs to use the toilet. Many things in live aren't black and white!

Use the men’s. There is even a clue in the name of the facility.

I swear most people on here have never seen men at a urinal. Nobody is waving their cocks about.

Have you ever seen a line of men at the urinals? You would have to look very hard to actually see anything. And as the child would be with her father then he can make sure she doesn’t look anyway.

Once a child is school aged (assuming no SEN) then they can go in the toilet of their sex. In the event of an emergency then of course a parent of the opposite sex can enter but if a father wants to accompany his daughter into the toilets then he should take her into the men’s.

use the mens! Plenty of us got taken into the mens by our dads when we were younger and suffered no ill effects. We were with our dads. No risk whatsoever.

Oh for heaven’s sake. We could also argue that it’s wrong to use the disabled loo. What is the father meant to do? Seriously, what?

Why wouldn’t they use the accessible toilets if available? Isn’t that kind of the point of them?

Assuming they are available (obvs) then where is the dilemma? You can’t take a male teen into the ladies toilets.