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AIBU to expect my brothers to help visit our mother in hospital?

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 08:16

My elderly mother is in hospital since 2 and a half weeks now after a fall and can’t walk, she lives with us but hasn’t been declared medically fit so can’t be discharged, she’s waiting to be placed in a mobility rehab unit to help her walk again but there’s no spaces just yet. I have 2 brothers who do nothing to help, ie go visit her, text or phone her. it’s left to me and my husband so we go together every other day. It’s a half hour drive each way and it’s hard for us to get things done at home, am I being unreasonable in expecting my 2 brothers to help out with the visiting? Also we have a constant cold that gets worse every time we visit, maybe it’s the aircon?

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:45

Petrolitis · Yesterday 09:33

I think you just answered yourself?

Not really as I’m asking am I being unreasonable to expect my brothers to visit my 90 yr old mother in hospital, or at least phone or text her.

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:42

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:41

Ok, sorry to offend you, you had good reason I’m sure, just ignore me.

I’m sorry for what you went through btw.

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:41

WecanbeheroeslikeBowie · Yesterday 09:38

I didn't ask for my mum to get involved with a child abuser then ignore what was happening.
The 'but they are your parents and brought you up' types can duck off with their twee lives.
FWIW, I didn't look after her in old age, why would I? She died and I wasn't bothered in any sense.

Ok, sorry to offend you, you had good reason I’m sure, just ignore me.

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:39

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:38

me and OH keep picking it up from the hospital, we’ve had a problem with air con before and it feels like that, a sore throat and bit of a cold, when we’re away for couple of days we feel better then when we go back there it is again! Mum sleeps a lot as she’s on strong painkillers but she’d be delighted to get a simple text or phone call from them asking how she is. Yes it looks like a care home might be on the cards, our house otherwise will be full of safety equipment including stair lift etc and I don’t think there’s a lot of room for that kind of thing. And carers coming in several times a day which my OH would have a problem with. It’s his MH.

But yes I might have a word with them to say at least text her.

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WecanbeheroeslikeBowie · Yesterday 09:38

GiRocks · Yesterday 09:06

I hate these kinds of trite comments. Some of us had awful childhoods and parents that didn’t give a shit then or now. Having to care for them as they age becomes a hideous obligation.

I didn't ask for my mum to get involved with a child abuser then ignore what was happening.
The 'but they are your parents and brought you up' types can duck off with their twee lives.
FWIW, I didn't look after her in old age, why would I? She died and I wasn't bothered in any sense.

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:38

tomatoplants · Yesterday 09:30

Sounds tough and YANBU to feel like that. They should of course help but it sounds like they won’t.

can you let them know you’re unwell and it’s not safe to visit mum with a cold? I’m surprised you’re allowed in the hospital with colds anyway. Say that they need to take turns whilst you recover.

Then look at care homes. Tell them they need to help find one and visit regularly. You can’t go on like this

me and OH keep picking it up from the hospital, we’ve had a problem with air con before and it feels like that, a sore throat and bit of a cold, when we’re away for couple of days we feel better then when we go back there it is again! Mum sleeps a lot as she’s on strong painkillers but she’d be delighted to get a simple text or phone call from them asking how she is. Yes it looks like a care home might be on the cards, our house otherwise will be full of safety equipment including stair lift etc and I don’t think there’s a lot of room for that kind of thing. And carers coming in several times a day which my OH would have a problem with. It’s his MH.

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Petrolitis · Yesterday 09:33

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:25

sorry about your parents by the way, at least they have each other in the care home, and they sound mentally well. Yes you should take care of yourself too, let the care home take the strain. Good luck!

I think you just answered yourself?

BeaTwix · Yesterday 09:32

The only thing you can control in this situation is how much you do and with some reflections/ emotional work how you respond to the situation.

Your brothers have their own relationship with your mother and they will have to live with what they choose to do or not do.

You need to set a frequency for hospital visiting that works for you and your family. You need to decide how much care you can give at home. You cannot force your brothers to help (admittedly it would be nice if they did but it is up to them).

I'm a carer. I'm very clear that I do what I do because I choose to especially now the person concerned is in a care home. So I visit because I want to, take them out and I send gifts/ flowers and messages as a choice. One of my siblings does very little the other does a bit more "social" stuff.

Caring is hard and sometimes the person being cared for just has to suck up being in hospital without visitors. My mum was in hospital for months before she died. We were all very involved and started trying to cover two visiting slots/ day between us. My father's health (he was doing most afternoons) really deteriorated, then my brother and I realised that we were barely ever at home except to sleep, and domestic life and fallen well below the dysentry line so we all pulled back. Mum got a visitor most but not all days and my Dad tried to spread the word amongst her social circle to plug some of the gaps but it just wasn't possible. Yes she was ill (dying) but the rest of us needed to survive too. Like they say on planes - put your own oxygen mask on first.

SassyLemonFish · Yesterday 09:31

How many times has mother been in hospital?

tomatoplants · Yesterday 09:30

Sounds tough and YANBU to feel like that. They should of course help but it sounds like they won’t.

can you let them know you’re unwell and it’s not safe to visit mum with a cold? I’m surprised you’re allowed in the hospital with colds anyway. Say that they need to take turns whilst you recover.

Then look at care homes. Tell them they need to help find one and visit regularly. You can’t go on like this

ACatCalledPuss · Yesterday 09:28

99bottlesofkombucha · Yesterday 09:01

I’d give a few family members a call, and say I wonder if you’d have time to visit mum. My brothers are selfish shits so it’s just me and dh visiting, and it’s be really nice for her to have someone else. I’d say her friends too but they might be too old! Your brothers kids as well if they have any. Make sure everyone knows, it’s really important their kids especially know if they have any so they don’t feel guilty not visiting your brothers when their time comes. What goes around comes around.

This is classic! I would try speaking to your brothers first and ask them to visit. But I would do this if they still didn't visit after your efforts.

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:28

MissyB1 · Yesterday 09:23

OP at least you be able to live with yourself knowing you did riggt by your mum, she brought you up and has loved you have you have loved her back. A pp suggested you ring around any other relatives or friends of your mum and ask if people can visit her just to lighten the load a bit on you, I think thats a great idea. But tell them the truth about your brothers, and feel free to be honest with your brothers about what you think of their behaviour too. And do not update them about your mum, if thry want to know anything they can go and see her.

You’re right, thanks for the advice, they need to step up with just a quick phone call! Mum thinks they’re terrified she might die that’s why they are holding back.

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YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:25

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:22

Yes for me it’s a guilt trip, mum would love to come home but with a disability myself I can’t do much apart from make her something to eat, provide drinks etc, and my DH’s mental well being would be affected, as he’s doing the most he can at the moment to help both of us. I fear it might split us up. Even he says he couldn’t bear to have carers coming in every day, he’s a very private person. So it looks like it could well be a care home unfortunately.

sorry about your parents by the way, at least they have each other in the care home, and they sound mentally well. Yes you should take care of yourself too, let the care home take the strain. Good luck!

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thepariscrimefiles · Yesterday 09:24

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 08:54

She’s not like that, she appreciates what I do, and we had an agreement that I would primarily be responsible for her care if ever needed, but the brothers do nothing.

So why aren't you her favourite rather than the brother that does nothing?

MissyB1 · Yesterday 09:23

OP at least you be able to live with yourself knowing you did riggt by your mum, she brought you up and has loved you have you have loved her back. A pp suggested you ring around any other relatives or friends of your mum and ask if people can visit her just to lighten the load a bit on you, I think thats a great idea. But tell them the truth about your brothers, and feel free to be honest with your brothers about what you think of their behaviour too. And do not update them about your mum, if thry want to know anything they can go and see her.

TheOwlShootAtNight · Yesterday 09:22

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 08:57

Wow I find that quite selfish. After all, they brought you up.

you are very judgmental. You have no idea what childhood that person had.

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:22

wendywoopywoo222 · Yesterday 09:13

You’re not being selfish expecting them to visit but ultimately you can’t make them. I’m in the same position with two elderly parents in a care home. I have two siblings. One who lives closer than me but I am the only one who visits. One does live a few hours away and stops by a couple of times a year. I have stopped asking them for help and framed it to myself that I’m the lucky one who gets to spend time with them and makes them happy. The other two can’t cope with visiting for whatever reasons which are frankly none of my business. I guess they don’t feel so close to them as I do. My parents have no expectations of me to do anything and are still telling me I shouldn’t visit so much. Good luck. You need to make peace with what you are happy to do and not fret about what they aren’t doing. Good luck.

Yes for me it’s a guilt trip, mum would love to come home but with a disability myself I can’t do much apart from make her something to eat, provide drinks etc, and my DH’s mental well being would be affected, as he’s doing the most he can at the moment to help both of us. I fear it might split us up. Even he says he couldn’t bear to have carers coming in every day, he’s a very private person. So it looks like it could well be a care home unfortunately.

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wendywoopywoo222 · Yesterday 09:19

And me not coping with it all by myself is the reason they are in a care home and not still managing badly at home. They are whipping through their money with the cost of it so I doubt any of us will receive an inheritance but it’s so worth it to know that they are safe and being looked after properly and I am a different person without the stress and worry of them. My visits now are social and a pleasure rather than trying to keep on top of managing them and keeping them safe. Sounds like a good option as You need to take care of yourself and hubby. Huge hugs. It’s not easy.

Pedant61 · Yesterday 09:18

None of you are obligated to visit, OP. If you want to visit less often, then.....visit less often.

Inertia · Yesterday 09:15

Sounds like there’s a very real chance of you caring for your mother to prevent her needing to go into a care home, just for her to leave everything to your brothers anyway .

If you are disabled, you cannot realistically care for your frail elderly mother. If she needs a care home, so be it.

wendywoopywoo222 · Yesterday 09:13

You’re not being selfish expecting them to visit but ultimately you can’t make them. I’m in the same position with two elderly parents in a care home. I have two siblings. One who lives closer than me but I am the only one who visits. One does live a few hours away and stops by a couple of times a year. I have stopped asking them for help and framed it to myself that I’m the lucky one who gets to spend time with them and makes them happy. The other two can’t cope with visiting for whatever reasons which are frankly none of my business. I guess they don’t feel so close to them as I do. My parents have no expectations of me to do anything and are still telling me I shouldn’t visit so much. Good luck. You need to make peace with what you are happy to do and not fret about what they aren’t doing. Good luck.

YourNattyGreyViewer · Yesterday 09:11

SickandTiredofEverything · Yesterday 08:56

To be honest im not surprised. From the little you have written admittedly, it looks like the 3 of you (4 including your mother) have decided you, OP, are responsible for your DM and anything your brothers do is optional. At 90 it will be almost impossible to change the dynamic now. You can pull back on what you do but I doubt there is any action you can take to influence your brothers or induce in them a level of responsibility. It will simply result in a lower lever of support for your DM. That may be an appropriate outcome and please don’t feel guilty if that is what ends up happening.

We didn’t agree all 4 of us, it was just between mum and I. Before mum and I made a loose care arrangement, she had cancer and I was going backwards and forwards with her to the hospital an hour away, it made me physically sick, then after her operation the younger brother visited her once I think before she came home, that was nice but when she got home I was asked by the nurses to sleep in her flat (on the sofa btw) for couple of nights. I stayed first night then asked my brothers, which of you will stay the second night, they both laughed and in the end mum said, I’m ok, I’ll be alright on my own, then the younger brother said it’s ok I’m only down the road, just call if she needs him. At least I had some help then but now, nothing. It’s not just me, I’m thinking of mum, they have asked by text how she’s doing but they don’t phone or text her which would be lovely for her but they’d rather ask me how she’s doing. My older brother came round after a week asking if she’s upstairs, no I said, still in hospital. And I said I don’t know how she’s going to manage if she comes home, he said no problem just stick a bed in her living area! She won’t be able to use the stairs, or get around much, she might need more help than before so I’m considering care homes now, their inheritance may be wiped out but I’m disabled myself, and my husband can hardly cope as it is and I don’t want us to split over this.

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MellowSubmarine · Yesterday 09:10

frozendaisy · Yesterday 08:44

Yep

Your mum set the dynamics @YourNattyGreyViewer you can’t change them now unless you inform all parties

We will take it in turns I will visit once every 6 days day 2 and 4 are brother 1 and brother 2

You are them same, letting your brothers do nothing because it’s not seen, because you take up their slack.

Whenever threads along these lines come up, there are always posts like this “just tell your sibling that from now on they’re doing X”

They are adults who OP doesn’t employ. She can’t tell them what to do and expect that it will work, regardless of how unreasonable they might be being (I’m not sure I agree with OP’s comment that her brother working a lot isn’t an excuse, depending on the circumstances, commute length, distance to hospital etc etc)

AmandaHoldensLips · Yesterday 09:09

My brothers didn't bother either. It's wimmin's work, innit?

LesTaupesMerveilleuses · Yesterday 09:08

Put boundaries in place. This isn’t fair.