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AIBU to feel upset after my meeting with my manager?

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derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 07:38

I have been working somewhere for nearly 10 years, after being a SAHM. I loved my job, but the company has gone through many restructures and it has changed completely.

Over the past 2 years we have had many redundancies and people not replaced. As a result my workload has massively increased. On top of this many of my colleagues have sought out doctors notes, and other things to exempt them from certain tasks. I have been given this extra work too. This has caused me a lot of stress. It also affects others and a few of my work colleagues are now on antidepressants or have left. Our staff turnover is horrendous. People are leaving with no job to go to. Everyone is unhappy and it is a toxic environment.

Anyway, I had my appraisal and it went OK, but afterwards I realised I had been downgraded. I asked some of my colleagues, not directly, but they confirmed they received higher. I was really upset about this, as I'd say I was one of a few people who do the lions share. I even manage the department when there is no manager. Since my boss is on holiday I asked the next level up (it is usual to escalate to this person) about my appraisal.

What then followed has really shocked me. I was told that it had been agreed amongst them to downgrade me as whilst my work was excellent and appreciated, I had a bad attitude and my behaviours are not aligning with what they list as what we should be demonstrating. Apparently people say hello to me, and I have my head down and barely acknowledge them or I am in a mood and people tread on eggshells around me. I am a thorn in the managers side, and I bring problems to the manager but not solutions. I am abrupt. I was totally shocked by this because in the 30 years that I have been working, and the many appraisals I have had, I have never had this feedback. In fact I have constantly been told I am very popular and respected and a go to person if someone needs help. I have never worked with this manager. It felt like a character assassination.

Some points;

I asked for some specific examples, but they could not name one.

I have never had a complaint made about me by a customer, or by a colleague in 10 years.

Apparently I am too outspoken, but they specifically asked me to join a group of staff to talk about branch issues. I asked to step down from this and was asked to stay as my opinions are valued. After one meeting the head of the company told my manager that they were really impressed with how I professionally handled myself. Seeing me upset, a friendly manager told me that I had pissed off one of the managers by questioning something, and that the company ask for my opinion, but don't always like the answers.

In this company, I have had at least 18 appraisals and mid years, and not once have I ever had feedback on my attitude. There is no history of this whatsoever.

Now, I am not disputing my attitude and behaviours. However I asked them to put it into context. I am covering a very large portion of the workload. I have asked to reduce my hours, and change my days (there is one week a month where I work 7 out of 8 days in a row). I come home stressed out and crying. I have raised concerns numerous times about my workload and improving my work life balance. These have all been rejected as we are short staffed and it doesn't suit the business. I asked to move department and they have said no. So, with that in mind, yes I look stressed, I look unhappy, I may not be skipping along saying hello to everyone. However, no one has complained about me, neither staff member or client.

Apparently they have observed this about me for a while, and my manager should have addressed it with me, but they did not. Even though I spent an hour and a half in my appraisal. Apparently they are too scared of me. I am in my 50's and they are in their late 20's.

FYI this is a minimum wage job. I do have another PT job which I can increase the hours. I don't really need the money, but I saved and invested all that I earned and felt I was contributing to my household and our future.

This manager suggested that I get my manager and a couple of other managers who also work along side me in a room and they tell me bluntly about my attitude and behaviours, I can then go away, reflect on it, and come back acting differently. I don't really like the sound of this!!!

My DH is not being very supportive about me leaving. He says I shouldn't till I get another job, but I just don't see how I can stay if this is what they think of me. My adult DC say that I am going to end up having a heart attack or stroke and it is not worth it.

AIBU to be upset, or is this kind of feedback normal?

What would you advise me?

What's stopping me leaving;

The money was invested and it feels good.
I like to be busy, and have structure to my week.
I'm in my 50's, it'll be hard to get another job. However, I do have another job that I enjoy and I can develop (I am a pilates instructor)

OP posts:
Weeellokthen · 06/09/2026 16:49

Wtaf!!!!! Sick line for a while, until you find another job

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 06/09/2026 16:44

Leave.
It's a no brainer I would think.
Surely you earn more than minimum wage as a pilates instructor? And it is something you enjoy?
You could work less hours for more money.
I can't imagine why you would stay.
I'm desperate to find a pilates class with a 'live' instructor who can tell me what I'm doing right or wrong. not a blinking les mills or whatever it is programme where if you are new you are simply lost.

montysmaw · 06/09/2026 16:38

Go of sick and stay off until ever second of sick pay is used.. Then leave.

keepincool · 06/09/2026 16:27

19lottie82 · 06/09/2026 14:52

Those figures are most likely made up of unfair dismissal, which is a lot easier to prove rather than constructive dismissal.

Leave on your own behalf and then you would have to claim constructive dismissal, rather than staying put, being let go, then filing for unfair dismissal.

Companies are a lot more likely to settle a claim for UD, rather than CD.

Edited

The figures are for unfair dismissal including constructive dismissal. The ET1 form (the form that claimants submit to the tribunal) doesn't separate the two forms of dismissal when making a claim. Whilst constructive dismissal relates to breaches of contract, and unfair dismissal relates to the way an employee is dismissed, they are referenced together as "unfair and constructive dismissal" by Gov.uk.

Constructive dismissal is unacceptable treatment, making it impossible to continue working. Common examples include:
● Non-payment of wages
● Demotion or reduction in responsibilities
● Unilateral changes to pay, hours, or job role
● Harassment, bullying, or discrimination
● Undermining trust and confidence (The implied duty of trust and confidence is breached where the employer, without reasonable and proper cause, conducts itself in a manner likely to destroy or seriously damage the employment relationship)

Bluenotgreen · 06/09/2026 16:05

I would resign but get signed off with stress for my notice period.

Fuck em.

Friendlygingercat · 06/09/2026 16:03

In your position I would build up my side hustle (pilates) and also look for another job. In the meantime I would also be doing a bit of "quiet quitting" as you employers do not value you. Cut back to your basic hours and slow down, so that things begin to pile up. Rather than trying to cope with the extra workload allow it to slide. Look busy but take your time. When your manager whinges tell them you cannot fit in the extra and ask them to prioritise the tasks they want you do. Put the ball back into their court. The fact that they will not increase staff is a management problem. not yours. Use the time you gain to study up for your pilates instruction.

I was in a similar position when I decided to leave my job for uni. In the final year I cut out all the work I had previously did at home. We were being asked to do more and more with less and less so I just allowed things to pile up. I had an appraisal and my manager suggested I was being less productive than I have in previous years. I agreed with him and told him that I was concentrating on what I saw as the essentials. If people in other departments were whinging for things they reckoned I should be doing then they should get up off their asses and do it themselves.

I had used the extra time I gained for my university prep. and resigned a few weeks after my appraisal. I had already sorted my reference for uni so I did not need to trouble my boss.

Numnumbirdy · 06/09/2026 15:55

I’ve only read OP comments - please contact ACAS before you resign.

Dancingintherain09 · 06/09/2026 15:42

To lighten the mood...

AIBU to feel upset after my meeting with my manager?
19lottie82 · 06/09/2026 14:52

keepincool · 06/09/2026 13:43

Other posters have suggested quitting then claiming for constructive dismissal, but this is notoriously hard to win.

While it may seem that way, it isn't quite true. Many constructive and unfair dismissal claims are settled via ACAS conciliation, prior to ET hearings. The number of settlement claims aren't widely reported, but:

From ACAS data:
Acas settled around 70% of cases that did not progress to a tribunal hearing in July to September 2025. This represents a 4 percentage point decrease from 74% in April to June 2025.

From Yerty:
Around 82% of unfair dismissal claims are resolved without ever reaching a full hearing. The 6% struck-out rate is the highest of any major claim type — most often because claimants miss a deadline or fail to comply with a tribunal direction.

What percentage of unfair dismissal claims succeed?
Around 3% of disposed claims succeed at a full tribunal hearing. Of those that actually reached a hearing, around 43% won. 32% settle through ACAS conciliation, and around 82% are resolved without a hearing.

Those figures are most likely made up of unfair dismissal, which is a lot easier to prove rather than constructive dismissal.

Leave on your own behalf and then you would have to claim constructive dismissal, rather than staying put, being let go, then filing for unfair dismissal.

Companies are a lot more likely to settle a claim for UD, rather than CD.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 06/09/2026 14:38

99bottlesofkombucha · 06/09/2026 08:56

I wouldn’t resign straight away. I’d go on stress leave for quite some time and try to recover while they’re paying me - fuck them. Go to the gp and let the whole toxic mess out, be emotional, get signed off. Write in to your manager please find attached doctors note that I am unfit to work. I have been under huge amounts of pressure from the overload of work and no support. Management have refused to let me drop anything ,everyone I used to work with has quit, management response is to give me their work and keep telling us to smile more, now they’ve downgraded my performance because they don’t like my attitude. Thinking about going into work tomorrow makes me want to throw up and I just can’t.

take the sick pay, relax, and plan. You’re never going back, except perhaps one last time to tell them to go jump.

I would not write any more than "here is my sick note." Let them figure the rest out. DO NOT given them any more ammunition! Save that for when you are interviewed for your next job - it's OK to talk about the increasing and unreasonable workload, but do not mention anything about your supposed "attitude" or "behaviour" (they were out of order there, so don't bring it up - an interview is not a therapy session).

Find out what your notice period is - it's often the same as your pay period, eg 1 week, 1 month. if you're unlucky it might be longer. But you can go sick, then resign. You may even have holiday pay owing to you by the time you actually leave.
If you don't go off sick, and you do go back into work, do as others have suggested - the bare minimum. No extra hours, no working through lunch etc.

I'm sorry this is happening to you, but hold your head up, OP. You are better than them, you have a way out, you can handle this! You'll look back in 6 months months and ask yourself why you put up with it for so long!

JLou08 · 06/09/2026 14:37

You shouldn't be carrying that much stress in a minimum wage job.
You shouldn't be downgraded on a basis of your personality when interaction with customers is good and your work is good.
You should leave as soon as you can, the management sounds absolutely horrendous. The way you've stepped up in managing the team when the manager isn't there and have took on extra work sounds like you're worth so much more than what you're getting. Believe in yourself, put yourself out there and apply for higher paying jobs. You are so much more than what this manager sees in you and plenty of employers would appreciate what you can bring to a team.

Luckydog7 · 06/09/2026 14:29

LeahCariad · 06/09/2026 08:11

In your shoes, I'd be slapping my resignation letter on them tomorrow morning, clearing my desk and then being off sick for the remainder of my notice.

This this this!! The absolute fuckers!

Your child is right, even if you stay it will just be more of the same. Same stress, same minimal pay, same lack of appreciation. The next review will be worse. Get out! Enjoy the look on their face when you slap your resignation on their desk.

Sounds like you are perfectly eligible to go on stress leave too. Use your remaining holiday. Take a couple of days to breath then plan plan plan. If money is an issue get thyself to an employment agency for part time contracting to tide you over.

Fortheloveofpizza · 06/09/2026 14:24

I wonder if we work for the same company. I’ve had an awful time and recently told my behaviours weren’t up to scratch. Apparently I don’t say good morning loud enough amongst other ridiculous things. It’s become apparent they are using behaviours to bully people. Many colleagues made redundant who are nearly all part time mums of young children or those with disabilities.
Im making a plan to leave

herbetta · 06/09/2026 14:16

I'd definitely contact some temping agencies

HollyhocksandPeons · 06/09/2026 14:13

Leave.

moonraker0 · 06/09/2026 14:09

I wouldn’t put my notice in just yet if I was in your position, I’d rinse my sick pay whilst looking for another job. I’ve seen this happen loads of times.

Separate note to everyone saying look for a job in a supermarket, they have cut staff back to the bare bones and the memories you are looking on fondly don’t exist anymore unfortunately.

ginasevern · 06/09/2026 13:53

I expect they're trying to push you out OP, partly because of your age and partly because they prefer to have contracted staff. You also aren't a "yes" person.

Chilly80 · 06/09/2026 13:53

Get signed off sick and use that time to look for another job.
When you return to work do the bare minimum.

Satisfiedwithanapple · 06/09/2026 13:52

I think it’s them not you by the sound of it.

Some managers are threatened by people who are too competent, the manager knows you could do their job and they don’t like it.

i must admit I opened this thread expecting mumsnet to be on the side of the manager as they tend to be. That isn’t the case which is fairly telling.

PinkPanther27 · 06/09/2026 13:52

The way they're treating you is absolutely disgusting. They're taking advantage of you by piling on the work then blaming you when it impacts you. It sounds like such a nasty toxic environment and the issue is management, not you. You're worth so much more than this. I wish you all the luck with your pilates 🥳

TipsyPeachSnake · 06/09/2026 13:51

@derFutterneid Are you in a Union?

Cyclingmummy1 · 06/09/2026 13:48

Go on the sick and raise a grievance.

Grumpyoldcat · 06/09/2026 13:45

What a dreadful place to work. . Id leave and do the bare minimum during my notice period.

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/09/2026 13:44

Yeah, you owe them nothing.

Get signed off sick which screws them over - use that breathing space to sort out other opportunities - then resign, ideally with a big 'fuck you'.

herbetta · 06/09/2026 13:44

zingally · 06/09/2026 13:40

Just leave. It's honestly not worth the agro.

I had a similar situation about 8-9 years ago. Was stressed up to eyeballs, mental health in tatters, yet I wound myself up no end about quitting. I'd be leaving them in the lurch! I wouldn't get another job! What would my partner/parents say?!

Anyway, on a random Tuesday afternoon, during a chat with my boss, it just fell out of my mouth that I'd decided to leave. He told me to sleep on it, which I did, and had the best nights sleep of my life. I confirmed my decision the next day, and IMMEDIATELY felt about 75% better.

The found a replacement for me within 24 hours - literally - the boss called in an old friend of his.

I've since gone on to have the happiest, most content 9 years of my adult life.

As for work, I started temping, and found I really liked it. I enjoyed the variety and change, and I set up 2 side hussles, which have both been really successful. I found myself wishing I'd made the jump years ago.

You've got this OP.

This somewhat mirrors my experience.

My employer threatened me with disciplinary action over something minor which I've later realised was due to undiagnosed ADHD made worse by perimenopause. It was the trigger I needed to leave. That was 4 years ago & I have temped ever since, and have been at my current place for 3 years. They value my experience.

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