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AIBU to feel upset after my meeting with my manager?

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derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 07:38

I have been working somewhere for nearly 10 years, after being a SAHM. I loved my job, but the company has gone through many restructures and it has changed completely.

Over the past 2 years we have had many redundancies and people not replaced. As a result my workload has massively increased. On top of this many of my colleagues have sought out doctors notes, and other things to exempt them from certain tasks. I have been given this extra work too. This has caused me a lot of stress. It also affects others and a few of my work colleagues are now on antidepressants or have left. Our staff turnover is horrendous. People are leaving with no job to go to. Everyone is unhappy and it is a toxic environment.

Anyway, I had my appraisal and it went OK, but afterwards I realised I had been downgraded. I asked some of my colleagues, not directly, but they confirmed they received higher. I was really upset about this, as I'd say I was one of a few people who do the lions share. I even manage the department when there is no manager. Since my boss is on holiday I asked the next level up (it is usual to escalate to this person) about my appraisal.

What then followed has really shocked me. I was told that it had been agreed amongst them to downgrade me as whilst my work was excellent and appreciated, I had a bad attitude and my behaviours are not aligning with what they list as what we should be demonstrating. Apparently people say hello to me, and I have my head down and barely acknowledge them or I am in a mood and people tread on eggshells around me. I am a thorn in the managers side, and I bring problems to the manager but not solutions. I am abrupt. I was totally shocked by this because in the 30 years that I have been working, and the many appraisals I have had, I have never had this feedback. In fact I have constantly been told I am very popular and respected and a go to person if someone needs help. I have never worked with this manager. It felt like a character assassination.

Some points;

I asked for some specific examples, but they could not name one.

I have never had a complaint made about me by a customer, or by a colleague in 10 years.

Apparently I am too outspoken, but they specifically asked me to join a group of staff to talk about branch issues. I asked to step down from this and was asked to stay as my opinions are valued. After one meeting the head of the company told my manager that they were really impressed with how I professionally handled myself. Seeing me upset, a friendly manager told me that I had pissed off one of the managers by questioning something, and that the company ask for my opinion, but don't always like the answers.

In this company, I have had at least 18 appraisals and mid years, and not once have I ever had feedback on my attitude. There is no history of this whatsoever.

Now, I am not disputing my attitude and behaviours. However I asked them to put it into context. I am covering a very large portion of the workload. I have asked to reduce my hours, and change my days (there is one week a month where I work 7 out of 8 days in a row). I come home stressed out and crying. I have raised concerns numerous times about my workload and improving my work life balance. These have all been rejected as we are short staffed and it doesn't suit the business. I asked to move department and they have said no. So, with that in mind, yes I look stressed, I look unhappy, I may not be skipping along saying hello to everyone. However, no one has complained about me, neither staff member or client.

Apparently they have observed this about me for a while, and my manager should have addressed it with me, but they did not. Even though I spent an hour and a half in my appraisal. Apparently they are too scared of me. I am in my 50's and they are in their late 20's.

FYI this is a minimum wage job. I do have another PT job which I can increase the hours. I don't really need the money, but I saved and invested all that I earned and felt I was contributing to my household and our future.

This manager suggested that I get my manager and a couple of other managers who also work along side me in a room and they tell me bluntly about my attitude and behaviours, I can then go away, reflect on it, and come back acting differently. I don't really like the sound of this!!!

My DH is not being very supportive about me leaving. He says I shouldn't till I get another job, but I just don't see how I can stay if this is what they think of me. My adult DC say that I am going to end up having a heart attack or stroke and it is not worth it.

AIBU to be upset, or is this kind of feedback normal?

What would you advise me?

What's stopping me leaving;

The money was invested and it feels good.
I like to be busy, and have structure to my week.
I'm in my 50's, it'll be hard to get another job. However, I do have another job that I enjoy and I can develop (I am a pilates instructor)

OP posts:
99bottlesofkombucha · 06/09/2026 08:56

I wouldn’t resign straight away. I’d go on stress leave for quite some time and try to recover while they’re paying me - fuck them. Go to the gp and let the whole toxic mess out, be emotional, get signed off. Write in to your manager please find attached doctors note that I am unfit to work. I have been under huge amounts of pressure from the overload of work and no support. Management have refused to let me drop anything ,everyone I used to work with has quit, management response is to give me their work and keep telling us to smile more, now they’ve downgraded my performance because they don’t like my attitude. Thinking about going into work tomorrow makes me want to throw up and I just can’t.

take the sick pay, relax, and plan. You’re never going back, except perhaps one last time to tell them to go jump.

Catza · 06/09/2026 08:56

localnotail · 06/09/2026 08:48

They can't give you a bad reference, its not allowed.

I haven't read the whole thread but I would speak to an employment lawyer and see if you can raise this somehow as a complaint. Because it sounds like bullying and a baseless personal attack. They can't do that.

Of course it is allowed to give a negative reference, provided the information is fair and correct. Otherwise, there would be no point in references to begin with.
But OP's company is only giving out standard confirmations of employment which are likely coming from a person in HR who has never met her.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/09/2026 08:55

OP - take a couple of days to think about next steps. Sounds as if resigning is the best thing for you but as others have suggested, a couple of days of sick leave to breathe and plan your exit could be useful.

Work out how much annual leave you have - look up your company guidelines about leaving and make sure that you're in charge of the next steps. So when you hand in your resignation letter, you already know how many days you have to work or whether you've got annual leave you can take as part of that.

It's a big step after so many years so take your time. Good luck.

Iftheskywasbkue · 06/09/2026 08:55

You need to leave. If you are also one of the last permanent employees they may be making up stuff to try and push you to resign.

You could speak to ACAS about next steps, but you also need to consider how far you want to take this. You could resign and walk away, or you could confront them head on and go for constructive dismissal etc. As much as you may want to give them some home truths, you need to be mindful of burning bridges as you never know who may cross your path in the future.

However, I would think hard about going off sick because a future employer may ask your previous (current) employer for a reference and the number of sick days that you have taken. If you’ve been off for weeks or months a new employer may shy away from offering you a job. I have seen this happen to others.

Fernticket · 06/09/2026 08:54

ACynicalDad · 06/09/2026 07:58

You’d be expensive to make redundant, maybe they want you out. Are their redundancies ever voluntary? If so I’d put myself forward next time in your shoes, if not go.

I reckon that this is the reason. They want to make cuts and OP would be very expensive to make redundant.

Didimum · 06/09/2026 08:53

These attitude problems may well be true, but they shouldn’t be brought up out the blue at an annual appraisal where they downgrade you.

The company is clearly struggling and it is what it is. The job is the job. So yes I’d leave if you don’t like it.

Phineyj · 06/09/2026 08:53

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 06/09/2026 08:19

Sorry to derail but if you are a Pilates instructor please increase! Where I go, the waiting list for a class is huge, you need to be at one to book on the next and the evening one I go to is full of retirees, pt workers and SAHP… you absolutely could get day time or 1-1 classes well full!

I agree. Over the 15 years or so I've done Pilates it's always been competitive to get a place. If you're good at it people will really appreciate you!

RandomMess · 06/09/2026 08:52

Also are you having any HRT to help you through the menopause? It made me able to cope better with stress etc.

derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 08:52

RubyHiker · 06/09/2026 08:43

I would go to the gp and go on stress leave, then apply for as many jobs as you can. It sounds toxic and you shouldn't have to put up with that negativity but if your husband is against you quitting straight out thats worth a consideration, if you spent years as a sahm and he had to bear the financial majority, can the pilates cover the drop in pay? Or would it negativity affect your relationship because that's just transferring one type of stress to another

If I walked in tomorrow and said hey DH I am now working 10 hours a week doing pilates, he would be fine with that. At the moment I am only working 4.5 hours. I can immediately increase it to 7, then 9 a few weeks later.

OP posts:
Ooodelally · 06/09/2026 08:51

I am glad you have decided to leave, I hope you are able to put it all behind you and move onto bigger and better things swiftly. X

Ophy83 · 06/09/2026 08:50

Leave before you become unwell. It doesn't sound like you're the only one they are treating like this if other people are also leaving. Poor employee retention plus people going off sick is a red flag.

TrishM80 · 06/09/2026 08:50

tsmainsqueeze · 06/09/2026 08:33

Same regardless of wage.

Yeah but if someone was in a well paid job that they couldn't easily find somewhere else, you could rationalise staying in a stressful job.

But for peanuts?! That's mental!

localnotail · 06/09/2026 08:48

derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 08:35

If I only get a standard reference, will being off sick affect anything? I am never off sick by the way.

They can't give you a bad reference, its not allowed.

I haven't read the whole thread but I would speak to an employment lawyer and see if you can raise this somehow as a complaint. Because it sounds like bullying and a baseless personal attack. They can't do that.

derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 08:48

QuirkyHorse · 06/09/2026 08:38

You do seem a bit 'I do everything, everyone else are slackers' in your second paragraph.
If you vocalise this, it will piss people off even if it is true.

That said, if you don't need the money, leave. They obviously don't value your contribution and don't want you there.

Sorry if it comes across that way.

The main issue is the lack of staff. No one should be doing a heap of work. I actually take my hat off to them for having boundaries that I have not put in place.

I also blame myself. I couldn't find it in myself to say no, or cause a fuss, or push back. I wish I was more like them.

When I tried to create boundaries, that is when I think I became a "thorn in managers side". Once morning at 0900 on a Monday I was told I was doing training in a room. When I got there I said, where is everyone else? They said it was just me, and I questioned the fairness of this. I think this person is one of the people who has complained about my attitude.

OP posts:
Monty36 · 06/09/2026 08:48

When things are wrong people look for someone to blame. Labelling people without giving specific examples is weak and poor management.

You are an older woman. And generally not a thirty something who your managers, I suspect, would prefer. Easy to pick on. Expensive to make redundant. Perhaps more able than they are ? Someone might be managing you keen to prove they can manage you to a higher up. They want a promotion out of your misery.

You have three choices.
Stay and hope things improve. I suspect they will not.
Resign and argue for constructive dismissal. Very hard to put yourself through and very hard to prove apparently.
Get another job.

I would leave them to it and get another job. You have choices. It would be entirely liberating to go somewhere better.
And they do not deserve the feedback either as to why.

HoChiMince · 06/09/2026 08:46

We did actually get told in a meeting recently that we all need to smile more

I’m sorry you’re working for a set of complete morons. Their opinion isn’t worth anything if they’re making such stupid suggestions. “Beatings will continue until morale improves”…. Get out now with your sanity intact - it won’t get better.

dragonmummy · 06/09/2026 08:46

Pineapplesunshine · 06/09/2026 08:35

Hi OP, this sounds awful. I agree you should
leave, but think you should get employment advice before you resign. It feels very wrong if they have downgraded you based on a group of people having a discussion about you having never raised any issues with you previously, especially when they have given you so much more work to do - have they also potentially changed the nature of your role without discussion too? I have no idea if it might be constructive dismissal -
possibly not - but it doesn’t seem right so I would get advice about your rights in this situation. https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

This is great advice, and it’s what I’d try to do in your situation.

BabaJaeger · 06/09/2026 08:46

NiceCupOfChai · 06/09/2026 08:15

Get signed off work with stress, and use the time to plan your next move be that upscaling Pilates or applying to other jobs. When ready you can resign while still off sick.

this. with knobs on

also. lots of people are telling you to get another job in eg retail- I work in retail and it's EXACTLY what you're describing here

don't go to retail- focus on the pilates!

RubyHiker · 06/09/2026 08:43

I would go to the gp and go on stress leave, then apply for as many jobs as you can. It sounds toxic and you shouldn't have to put up with that negativity but if your husband is against you quitting straight out thats worth a consideration, if you spent years as a sahm and he had to bear the financial majority, can the pilates cover the drop in pay? Or would it negativity affect your relationship because that's just transferring one type of stress to another

Bethany83 · 06/09/2026 08:43

Sod that. Hand in your notice asap and even go off on stress leave for the remaining period. They have treated you appallingly. DO NOT let them get into your head. My goodness, they will be regretting what they have said when you have left and they realise how much you did! Go and do your Pilates work. X

tsmainsqueeze · 06/09/2026 08:43

1coconut2coconut3coconut4 · 06/09/2026 08:32

I agree with PPs don't just resign go off sick first to give you time to think and plan. Then you can resign at your leisure once you have had time to sort your game plan. Make them pay you a bit longer cheeky fuckers. Find your anger rather than upset - they have blamed YOU for THEIR errors, their terrible working environment, their terrible behaviours that are bringing you and all other sane staff down. When it comes to it, I'd just resign and say to your manager in person that this isn't a healthy working environment. I would do a basic simple letter saying I am resigning from my job as XX, last day XX. Definitely take as much of the resignation period off sick with stress as you can - it isn't lying, they have made you so stressed you have been coming home crying. That's not ok.

Ignore DH and listen to DC, your health is more important. Ramp up pilates 100%!

Absolutely spot on !
I am imagining the relief you are going to feel when you know you never Have to set foot in the p!ace again.
If you are going off sick before leaving take all your personal item's home if any there, one less thing to worry about going back for.
Good luck in your peaceful new life to come.

Efrogwraig · 06/09/2026 08:42

Speak to ACAS. Ask about constructive dismissal claim. I am assuming you are not in a union?

ClairDeLaLune · 06/09/2026 08:42

derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 08:06

I am actually the last of all my friends to leave. I think I have sunk cost fallacy. I have been waiting and waiting for it to get better.

I totally agree with what you are saying about my changed attitude and it coming out in my feedback and body language. One of my friends in another department told me honestly that she saw me go from really positive to negative about the job.

Some of my colleagues say that every day it just gets worse, and it is true. It is like death by a thousand cuts. I have stayed there too long, past my sell by date, and it has now come to bite me. I did try and move, but they said no.

You are NOT past your sell by date, don’t think like that! It’s them that have changed, not you. Fuck them OP.

I wouldn’t go off sick, it could affect your reference. I would resign and quietly work my notice.

Catza · 06/09/2026 08:40

This is far too much for a minimum wage job. I'm surprised you stuck to it this long. I know job market is tough right now but as you don't need the money and you have other sources of Income, I would prioritise your health and happiness now over financial investments. You can always make more money, you can't make more time or health.
Glad to hear you decided to leave. Don't worry about what to put on a letter. A basic "please accept my recognition. My last working day is X as per my contract notice period" is plenty.

Stowickthevast · 06/09/2026 08:40

@derFutterneid agree it sounds like a toxic environment, don't blame yourself.

Interestingly, I've been reading about how menopausal women behave more like men particularly in terms of becoming more direct and assertive. But as ever, what is acceptable for men in the work place is seen as unacceptable for women.

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