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AIBU to feel upset after my meeting with my manager?

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derFutterneid · 06/09/2026 07:38

I have been working somewhere for nearly 10 years, after being a SAHM. I loved my job, but the company has gone through many restructures and it has changed completely.

Over the past 2 years we have had many redundancies and people not replaced. As a result my workload has massively increased. On top of this many of my colleagues have sought out doctors notes, and other things to exempt them from certain tasks. I have been given this extra work too. This has caused me a lot of stress. It also affects others and a few of my work colleagues are now on antidepressants or have left. Our staff turnover is horrendous. People are leaving with no job to go to. Everyone is unhappy and it is a toxic environment.

Anyway, I had my appraisal and it went OK, but afterwards I realised I had been downgraded. I asked some of my colleagues, not directly, but they confirmed they received higher. I was really upset about this, as I'd say I was one of a few people who do the lions share. I even manage the department when there is no manager. Since my boss is on holiday I asked the next level up (it is usual to escalate to this person) about my appraisal.

What then followed has really shocked me. I was told that it had been agreed amongst them to downgrade me as whilst my work was excellent and appreciated, I had a bad attitude and my behaviours are not aligning with what they list as what we should be demonstrating. Apparently people say hello to me, and I have my head down and barely acknowledge them or I am in a mood and people tread on eggshells around me. I am a thorn in the managers side, and I bring problems to the manager but not solutions. I am abrupt. I was totally shocked by this because in the 30 years that I have been working, and the many appraisals I have had, I have never had this feedback. In fact I have constantly been told I am very popular and respected and a go to person if someone needs help. I have never worked with this manager. It felt like a character assassination.

Some points;

I asked for some specific examples, but they could not name one.

I have never had a complaint made about me by a customer, or by a colleague in 10 years.

Apparently I am too outspoken, but they specifically asked me to join a group of staff to talk about branch issues. I asked to step down from this and was asked to stay as my opinions are valued. After one meeting the head of the company told my manager that they were really impressed with how I professionally handled myself. Seeing me upset, a friendly manager told me that I had pissed off one of the managers by questioning something, and that the company ask for my opinion, but don't always like the answers.

In this company, I have had at least 18 appraisals and mid years, and not once have I ever had feedback on my attitude. There is no history of this whatsoever.

Now, I am not disputing my attitude and behaviours. However I asked them to put it into context. I am covering a very large portion of the workload. I have asked to reduce my hours, and change my days (there is one week a month where I work 7 out of 8 days in a row). I come home stressed out and crying. I have raised concerns numerous times about my workload and improving my work life balance. These have all been rejected as we are short staffed and it doesn't suit the business. I asked to move department and they have said no. So, with that in mind, yes I look stressed, I look unhappy, I may not be skipping along saying hello to everyone. However, no one has complained about me, neither staff member or client.

Apparently they have observed this about me for a while, and my manager should have addressed it with me, but they did not. Even though I spent an hour and a half in my appraisal. Apparently they are too scared of me. I am in my 50's and they are in their late 20's.

FYI this is a minimum wage job. I do have another PT job which I can increase the hours. I don't really need the money, but I saved and invested all that I earned and felt I was contributing to my household and our future.

This manager suggested that I get my manager and a couple of other managers who also work along side me in a room and they tell me bluntly about my attitude and behaviours, I can then go away, reflect on it, and come back acting differently. I don't really like the sound of this!!!

My DH is not being very supportive about me leaving. He says I shouldn't till I get another job, but I just don't see how I can stay if this is what they think of me. My adult DC say that I am going to end up having a heart attack or stroke and it is not worth it.

AIBU to be upset, or is this kind of feedback normal?

What would you advise me?

What's stopping me leaving;

The money was invested and it feels good.
I like to be busy, and have structure to my week.
I'm in my 50's, it'll be hard to get another job. However, I do have another job that I enjoy and I can develop (I am a pilates instructor)

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Ethelspagetti · Today 10:03

derFutterneid · Yesterday 17:37

So I resigned.

Last night I was really celebratory about my decision, but today I feel low.

It’s not that I regret it, or think it’s the wrong one, but I still feel a bit down.

It’s like breaking up with a partner who is horrible and abusive, but then missing them. MN’ers always advise that you are missing the old partner and what could’ve been. I’m sad because I loved working there at first, but it just got absolutely toxic over the past 1-2 years. That said I’m dreading going back in there and if I never set foot in the place again I wouldn’t care. There’s one person to say goodbye to, the others I couldn’t care less.

The leap of faith has me a bit scared too and I’m feeling a bit anxious. I’m not a spring chicken any more.

Hopefully in a week or 2 I’ll be regretting not leaving sooner.

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I know what you mean, I was at my last job for 8 years and loved it at first. Halfway through after a building move and restructure it became toxic and frosty. I left without having another job to go to and worried if I’d made the right decision. It was like boiling frog syndrome as it slowly got worse I couldn’t decide how bad it was! After I left I felt very sad and upset as I kept remembering the good old days, and staff! That was twelve years ago and I spoke to an old colleague from there since. She said it got a lot worse as they had another restructure (everyone reapplying for their jobs on a lower salary!) and morale was low and management were pushing back by being aloof and distant. My friend has lost confidence and won’t attempt to look for another job. I do the same work now but for another company for double her salary! I think it’s the right thing for you to leave, it will only get worse. Wishing you all the best. 🌺

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 09:53

Fuck them. You've done the right thing.

Agapornis · Today 09:49

Well done. I'm sure pilates will be infinitely less stressful and they won't make you feel treated like shit.

I've had shit workplaces like that, it's weirdly traumatic and years later I still avoid going near them.

derFutterneid · Today 09:41

IrradiatedHaggis · Today 09:38

Any chance you could get signed off with work-related stress for your notice period? Something I wish I had done when leaving a previous job, instead of working my arse off trying to leave the place in good order. My name was still mud after I left.

I am back there tomorrow. If they stress me out and upset me in anyway I will not be going back.

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IrradiatedHaggis · Today 09:38

Any chance you could get signed off with work-related stress for your notice period? Something I wish I had done when leaving a previous job, instead of working my arse off trying to leave the place in good order. My name was still mud after I left.

WildFatball · Today 08:47

Edited: just seen your update. You have done the right thing. Good luck with your next steps.

Foughties · Today 08:41

I think that's normal, op. Your brain will work through it all soon enough. Its probably the injustice of it all. I'm a great worker but its kind of meaningless in a toxic environment and just doesn't sit with my values. My brain cant make sense of it as it doesn't make sense to me.

MintSnail · Today 08:22

Is the company on Glassdoor? Worth reading the reviews on there as part of the moving on' and 'letting go' process. Wishing you good luck for the next chapter xx

Ifyounevergiveup · Yesterday 17:58

@derFutterneid then don’t go back. Why put yourself through it? Either (my preference as you know) go on the sick for as long as you can then resign (by post, not in person, why put yourself through that), or just resign. They could pursue you for lack of notice but it’s unlikely.

i think you have to ask yourself why you’re still going in. You drew a good parallel with an abusive parter. LTB - it’s just that this is a bastard job, not a bastard partner!

derFutterneid · Yesterday 17:37

So I resigned.

Last night I was really celebratory about my decision, but today I feel low.

It’s not that I regret it, or think it’s the wrong one, but I still feel a bit down.

It’s like breaking up with a partner who is horrible and abusive, but then missing them. MN’ers always advise that you are missing the old partner and what could’ve been. I’m sad because I loved working there at first, but it just got absolutely toxic over the past 1-2 years. That said I’m dreading going back in there and if I never set foot in the place again I wouldn’t care. There’s one person to say goodbye to, the others I couldn’t care less.

The leap of faith has me a bit scared too and I’m feeling a bit anxious. I’m not a spring chicken any more.

Hopefully in a week or 2 I’ll be regretting not leaving sooner.

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UninitendedShark · 24/09/2026 21:26

Agree with the previous poster who said to go on the sick until your leaving date then hit them with the workplace accident claim. Glad you’re getting out of that toxic environment.

Shedmistress · 24/09/2026 08:26

Never put anything in your letter of resignation, it will go nowhere apart from your file.

Just 'please accept this as my letter of resignation, I am currently left with x days leave which are already booked off so my last working day will be y day as per the notice period of z weeks in my contract'. Leave them to make any corrections to take anything out of your final pay packet and if they do it wrong, tackle it then.

99bottlesofkombucha · 23/09/2026 23:27

Justbrieme · 23/09/2026 15:29

My own opinion is their behaviour crossed into constructive dismissal.

Personally I would speak to a solicitor to get your letter written and get a letter that still leaves that avenue open in case given a bit of breathing space you choose to go in that direction. However like you it would not be my first choice of action but I would leave it on the table as an option. If you can’t afford a solicitor I’m sure chat GPT would do a less certain but still reasonable attempt.

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This and put in your claim!

YourFairCyanReader · 23/09/2026 22:37

"Due to the issues previously raised not being resolved, and the resulting impact on my wellbeing, I feel I am left with no option but to resign. My last working day will be X. Yours sincerely "

Give yourself the option of constructive dismissal claim in future in case you change your mind.

Futurehappiness · 23/09/2026 19:48

derFutterneid · 23/09/2026 14:48

The company will only give a reference of "deF worked here from XXXX to YYYY". I nearly lost out on my pilates job because my manager agreed to give a reference, then HR blocked her and I got the one liner above. They don't care enough to put themselves out to reference people.

I'm sort of leaning towards not being arsed and wasting my energy on them. They've proven to me that they don't give a shit what their staff think so no one will action on it. Also, I don't see why I should give them free advice or be their catalyst for change.

One thing I didn't mention earlier, as I was trying not to out myself, but now I dont care. is that I was in an accident at work a few months ago which was their fault. I didn't do anything about it at the time, as I wanted to stay, but now I think I will put in a claim. I have 3 years to do it, and I have all the evidence.

Some organisations do have a policy of only providing factual references; your organisation may be one of them which could be why HR blocked the reference. They need to do all ex-employee refs consistently though and not single individuals out.

One possible approach could be to ask your manager if she would be willing to provide a personal reference?

It is up to you whether you want to give the feedback on your treatment. Re your possible intention to claim for the accident - I suggest that you consider getting preliminary legal advice before doing anything, as they may be able to advise you whether putting your dissatisfaction with them on record at your departure, would be helpful to your claim? (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. But I think you should focus now on your own interests and doing what is helpful to those).

seahorsessky · 23/09/2026 19:43

Credittocress · 06/09/2026 07:47

Also what’s the point of appraisals if you can perform brilliantly and do well and it never reflects in your pay

That's the case at a lot of places (including mine). But on the plus side, we have a policy that you shouldn't be blindsided like OP was.

dcadmamagain · 23/09/2026 19:42

I woukd hand my notice in and then email the high up manager you mentioned liked your input and say you speaking up in meetings has resulted in being shit down. You’ve given thirty years and you feel unappreciated so are leaving

EBearhug · 23/09/2026 19:32

Be simple and factual with the resignation.

This is notice of my resignation. My contract statws i need to give X notice. Therefore, my last working day will be Y.

You still have the option of going nuclear, raising a grievance, but do it separately from the resignation.

Most companies these days only do "this person worked here from date 1 to date 2 in the role of whatever" for reference. Previous line managers have said they'd do personal reference if required, but don't let HR know.

Fortheloveoffrogs · 23/09/2026 18:06

derFutterneid · 23/09/2026 14:50

One more question sorry.

I have a few days holiday booked off in the next few weeks. If I take it, I will have used over my holiday quota. I'm not sure whether to cancel it, and not have the payroll hit, or say blow it I can't be arsed to go in and have less money.

Cancel it, take the money, do the bare minimum and spend the money on something nice.

Fortheloveoffrogs · 23/09/2026 18:05

derFutterneid · 23/09/2026 14:48

The company will only give a reference of "deF worked here from XXXX to YYYY". I nearly lost out on my pilates job because my manager agreed to give a reference, then HR blocked her and I got the one liner above. They don't care enough to put themselves out to reference people.

I'm sort of leaning towards not being arsed and wasting my energy on them. They've proven to me that they don't give a shit what their staff think so no one will action on it. Also, I don't see why I should give them free advice or be their catalyst for change.

One thing I didn't mention earlier, as I was trying not to out myself, but now I dont care. is that I was in an accident at work a few months ago which was their fault. I didn't do anything about it at the time, as I wanted to stay, but now I think I will put in a claim. I have 3 years to do it, and I have all the evidence.

Keep it simple and polite in that case and def go for no win no fee compensation!

Ariela · 23/09/2026 17:41

Would it be possible to suggest they pay you off to leave? Ask if there is voluntary redundancy (as clearly your face doesn't fit).

MustTryHarderAndHarder · 23/09/2026 17:39

derFutterneid · 23/09/2026 14:50

One more question sorry.

I have a few days holiday booked off in the next few weeks. If I take it, I will have used over my holiday quota. I'm not sure whether to cancel it, and not have the payroll hit, or say blow it I can't be arsed to go in and have less money.

I would go on the holiday if you can afford to after everything you have been through.

Did you write to the guy from head office?

Radioheads · 23/09/2026 16:50

Keep it simple and put in the claim.
You can always add your whistle blower stuff in with it as additional stress to the injury.
Your legal advice will guide you.
Congratulations.

Ifyounevergiveup · 23/09/2026 16:45

derFutterneid · 23/09/2026 14:50

One more question sorry.

I have a few days holiday booked off in the next few weeks. If I take it, I will have used over my holiday quota. I'm not sure whether to cancel it, and not have the payroll hit, or say blow it I can't be arsed to go in and have less money.

I’m going to repeat myself again! Go on the sick! Now! Right up until your new hours start. Then they’ll have to pay you holiday pay as well as sick pay.

Then claim for the accident after you’ve gone. And constructive dismissal if you want to but it’s hell and I’d rather you put this behind you more quickly than that.

Hit them in the pocket at every opportunity then walk off into the sunset.

GeorgeMichaelsCat · 23/09/2026 16:03

They don't care enough to put themselves out to reference people.

A majority of businesses will only confirm the basic data these days. Stops ex employees bringing claims they lost a job due to the reference.

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