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Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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Hippodrome · Yesterday 07:28

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

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BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 11:56

NotAtMyAge · Yesterday 11:50

My guess is that the rise is due to the recent simplification of the application process for a GRC and the reduction of the fee to a fiver.

That was 2021, so yes might still have a bit of a lag effect.

Kalanthe · Yesterday 11:55

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 11:24

Nobody is born with both sets of genitals. Some people have a disorder/difference of sex development (the term now used instead of intersex, to avoid exactly this misconception). Some DSDs cause the external genitals to be ambiguous and can therefore mean the baby's sex is incorrectly recorded at birth. Some affect internal or hormonal sex characteristics. DSDs are sex-specific - some affect only males, some only females. None mean a person is both sexes.

I worded it wrong, I meant both types of genitals, not full sets of both. There is a disorder where a person has both ovaries and testicles called ovotesticular DSD. A person suffering from it can have both ovaries and testicles (or just tissue but functioning) which produces eggs and forms sperm in the same body, sometimes with a uterus and fallopian tubes on one side and male internal ducts on the other. This isn’t just “ambiguous genitalia” but both types of gonadal tissue which are in the same body. Not to mention that sex classification isn't based on chromosomes alone and there are various ways to determine gender - chromosomes, hormones, gonads, internal and external organs/genitalia. You can't pick one of them (eg chromosomes) and say this is what determines gender. People can be born with a mix of traits and sometimes genuinely are difficult to classify as one gender

NCbecausouting · Yesterday 11:54

whatcanthematterbe81 · Yesterday 07:41

Crikey, you under a rock? It’s everywhere 😂. Go on the feminism board, they’re still raging

This. I work in FE and it's rife. I know at least one MtF and one FtM among staff. Students too many to count, a couple of FtM but mostly MtF. My heart sinks when I interact with an obvious male 17 year old who gives their name as Alice.

Mapletree1985 · Yesterday 11:53

It was so obviously a social craze, a mania, but no one caught up in that wanted to believe it.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 11:53

Justin Gareth Walters is registered as an active director of both Mumsnet and the GLP.

NotAtMyAge · Yesterday 11:50

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 11:05

The GRA was 2004. There's no backlog after 22 years.

My guess is that the rise is due to the recent simplification of the application process for a GRC and the reduction of the fee to a fiver.

honeylulu · Yesterday 11:49

There are still lots where we are. Of those I know personally there are 2 M2F, 2 F to non binary and one F2M.

Without exception all 5 also have an autism diagnosis. I am curious and troubled by that as it makes me wonder if the feeling of social difference is being mistakenly interpreted as "so I must be in the wrong body". Only one of the people seems genuinely happy in her new gender (she was always a very feminine child and when her mum told me he was now she i just thought "ah yes that makes sense" - all of the others I was surprised by).

The F2M person is actually identifying as male for the third time and has transitioned twice before (and then back to F). I can't shake off the feeling that a lot of it is confusion they are trying to find a solution to. I think it's a bit flippant to call it a "trend" though. Some of these young folk are clearly really struggling.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 11:48

Secretsquirrel2 · Yesterday 11:42

I've had a look on Mermaids company history and Mumsnet. I cannot find any of the same directors on both. I haven't been able to look at trustees yet.

The claim was a GLP director, not a Mermaids one

Secretsquirrel2 · Yesterday 11:42

I've had a look on Mermaids company history and Mumsnet. I cannot find any of the same directors on both. I haven't been able to look at trustees yet.

SapphireSteel28 · Yesterday 11:37

I am a teacher. There are definitely fewer trans-identifying kids, and of the trans kids I taught in that period three that I know of no longer identify as transgender. I currently teach only two FTM transgender students. However, I don’t know about the rest as I have no idea where they are.

nolongersurprised · Yesterday 11:36

NeverDropYourMooncup · Yesterday 11:32

I reckon if my parents (or one in particular) had given me a name that could be flipped into Pile o'Shit, I'd want to be known by another name as well.

I remember my old housemate being horrified by the name, after she was born. I quite like it 🤷‍♀️

NotAtMyAge · Yesterday 11:35

Nairsmellsbad · Yesterday 11:25

Yuk, I had no idea that Mumsnet was mixed up with GLP.

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NotAtMyAge · Yesterday 11:32

Littlebearbutadog · Yesterday 08:57

Walking sticks, what do you mean?

It's an influencer trend according to recent newspaper articles. This is from The Telegraph yesterday and there's a similar article in The Times, but I don't have a share token.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3e3fc9c2f52e4467

How having a disability became cool

Young women, nicknamed ‘sickfluencers’, are turning chronic illness into a lifestyle trend and entrenching a culture of economic inactivity

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3e3fc9c2f52e4467

NeverDropYourMooncup · Yesterday 11:32

nolongersurprised · Yesterday 11:01

Shiloh Jolie never transitioned and was never transitioned by her parents. I remember interviews where Angelina said that she wanted to be called ‘John’ and wear the same clothes as her brothers, but it was presented as a cute quirk of Shiloh’s personality. It was a long time ago now.

I reckon if my parents (or one in particular) had given me a name that could be flipped into Pile o'Shit, I'd want to be known by another name as well.

Missingmymeds · Yesterday 11:32

The ONLY one I knew ,who was heading towards f to m trans ,is in a relationship with a man and has a baby ..
No lives ruined here ...
However..school were very pushy with her , labeling situations and deliberately keeping parents in the dark with a 15 year old ..
So it could of been a different story
This person is now diagnosed with autism and adhd

DestituteDesperate · Yesterday 11:29

Rich people problems

Nairsmellsbad · Yesterday 11:25

Shedmistress · Yesterday 08:27

It is not over. Just last week, the Good Law Project, who share a director with Mumsnet, offered to fund 24 kids with puberty blockers and potentially cross sex hormones for free, sourced through Anne Health, run by a non medic who herself gave her son puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and took him to Thailand on his 16th birthday to have his penis inverted. In fact her and her mother found it hilarious that his penis was so small at that stage the doctors did not have enough material to work with.

Personally I think a Mumsnet Director adovcating to mutilate and sterilise kids is not 'in the spirit' of any parenting forum but hey ho.

So yes, people are still raging about it all, many people think sterilising and mutilating kids because they like the wrong toys is a bad thing.

Yuk, I had no idea that Mumsnet was mixed up with GLP.

endofthelinefinally · Yesterday 11:24

Nobody is born with both sets of genitals.
Differences or Disorders of Sexual Development are sex specific. Each of them only affect one sex.
The only connexion with this ideology is when men like Caster Semenya and Imane Kalif use them to steal medals from women.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 11:24

Kalanthe · Yesterday 10:59

It was a trend, same with being non-binary. It's sad because transsexual people have been born since the beginning of time, it's a legitimate medical condition and a great personal tragedy, cause of suffering. It got turned into a part of the culture war and a trend, so that the actual trans people weren't taken seriously anymore. Same with non-binary, some people are born with both sets of genitals (usually neither of them fully developed) and don't feel like either man or a woman. Again, a medical condition that has always existed. Then a bunch of teenage kids decided they didn't feel any gender that day and ridiculed the people who are genuinely intersex. I feel really sorry for all those trans and intersex people who had to suffer even more because of the trend

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Nobody is born with both sets of genitals. Some people have a disorder/difference of sex development (the term now used instead of intersex, to avoid exactly this misconception). Some DSDs cause the external genitals to be ambiguous and can therefore mean the baby's sex is incorrectly recorded at birth. Some affect internal or hormonal sex characteristics. DSDs are sex-specific - some affect only males, some only females. None mean a person is both sexes.

Stompythedinosaur · Yesterday 11:22

I think if teenagers don't know what being transgender is, that's probably an education issue rather than anything else.

I work with teens and most have an understanding of a wide variety of LGBTQ+ issues.

Llamasarellovely · Yesterday 11:19

JurgenKloppsTeeth · Yesterday 10:00

I kept my mouth shut while all my friends went full bore on trans ideology. I could see the correlation with neurodivergence and/or childhood trauma plus Covid isolation at a very vulnerable time and have privately been critical of what felt like a trend among children desperate to be heard.

Also stories of parents of young kids using they/them pronouns or being the kid being encouraged to think of themselves as the opposite gender if they said they didn’t feel like their birth gender.

And I don’t quite know how to articulate this but there is a section of the alternative/queer/ND community who are very forthright in their views and others in that community (or outside it) might not want to speak out about any concerns they have for fear of being cancelled or ostracised or targeted.

I for one will be glad if this is really dying down. It has felt like temporary insanity with people going along with it for the reasons I mention above. Of course there are genuine trans people. No issue with that whatsoever, or anyone’s sexuality or lack thereof. But a sudden huge wave of young people identifying as the opposite gender and we’re just supposed to go along with it? Nope.

Well you did "go along with it" if you kept your mouth shut 🙄

GreatWhiteWail · Yesterday 11:18

Shedmistress · Yesterday 08:27

It is not over. Just last week, the Good Law Project, who share a director with Mumsnet, offered to fund 24 kids with puberty blockers and potentially cross sex hormones for free, sourced through Anne Health, run by a non medic who herself gave her son puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and took him to Thailand on his 16th birthday to have his penis inverted. In fact her and her mother found it hilarious that his penis was so small at that stage the doctors did not have enough material to work with.

Personally I think a Mumsnet Director adovcating to mutilate and sterilise kids is not 'in the spirit' of any parenting forum but hey ho.

So yes, people are still raging about it all, many people think sterilising and mutilating kids because they like the wrong toys is a bad thing.

Who is a Mumsnet director?! Shock

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 11:18

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · Yesterday 11:12

I would flip it, rather than the health condition affecting mostly people with a certain look it doesn’t seem that hard to believe that people with health conditions are more likely to choose one subculture than another. If you have a difference like a disability you might well find you feel more at home among the blue haired woke kids than the sporty kids or (where I live) the Young Farmers.
plus it’s also possible that it’s another factor such as autism which correlates with particular health conditions.

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I agree that finding one’s tribe is important. The Italians have an expression, “Go with the lame and learn to limp” which I think does apply in many cases.

AnneLovesGilbert · Yesterday 11:13

DiaAssolellat · Yesterday 10:43

Munchhausen Mums

And homophobic dads. Rather a trans daughter than a gay son. Tragic.

Sundayagain01 · Yesterday 11:13

I don’t know if it’s over. My two dc went to (different) special schools and knew many trans students. The one I know of (ftm) has just been released from prison for the second time at the age of 20. It was in the local press with a picture where they still had a masculine appearance.

The other ones (mtf) presented and lived as girls and to my knowledge are still the same and they must all be about 20 now. These are young people with severe emotional and behaviour problems to the extent they were in care and/or secure accommodation with full-time supervision.