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Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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Hippodrome · Yesterday 07:28

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

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Hippodrome · Yesterday 15:21

DestituteDesperate · Yesterday 12:32

The only kids I see being mutilated appear from a certain middle class background.

I wasn’t making light of people being affected by those deviants I was talking about the trans kids, very rarely from poor socioeconomic backgrounds.

Aside from the mtf I knew in foster care all of the FTMs I knew came from families that were originally well off before their parents divorced halfway through their childhood causing their parents financial situation to crash and burn.

In my experience people who spent the first half of their childhood well off before divorce or job loss led to the second half not being well off at all seem to have more issues than someone who was just not well off their whole childhood.

Moving to a new neighbourhood and a new school (places that may have been spoken about disparagingly by your parents in the past that you’d overheard) and then struggling to fit in maybe they had to latch onto another identity.

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HereComesTheNight · Yesterday 15:18

My DC is a teacher and has never come across it. Not a private school but in a smart commuter village in the NE where the majority of parents are well off and low deprivation. ADHD and autism, on the other hand, seem prevalent. I feel like ADHD is less of a middle class thing.

NeverDropYourMooncup · Yesterday 15:17

HPFA · Yesterday 14:03

i have a 22 year old DD with arthritis in her knees - she uses a stick sometimes but not always.

She gets much more offers of help when she isn't using the stick than when she does - maybe people are beginning to think it's a fashion choice? Whereas when she's just limping they don't assume she's faking that.

From experience (DD is in her 20s and is on a waiting list for reconstructive surgery on her knee), it's because limping is seen as somebody has hurt themselves and struggling means they're putting the effort in, whereas using a stick is seen as being disabled, not trying hard enough without assistance and the user is therefore lazy.

Unless they're male. Then it's always assumed to be due to an injury.

RoseInAPot · Yesterday 15:11

Jane3212 · Yesterday 14:38

A lot of left wing papers have written on the Epstein files, though I agree they were awful on the trans issue (Observer and Morning Star better).
Do the Epstein files mention trans?? Didn't know that- do you have a link?

Edited

https://www.them.us/story/jeffrey-epstein-robert-trivers-transgender-research-emails

Lots more if you Google.

Emails Reveal Epstein Encouraged Controversial Scientist to Study “Transgender Biology”

Correspondence in the Epstein files reveals more information about the billionaire’s ties to Robert Trivers.

https://www.them.us/story/jeffrey-epstein-robert-trivers-transgender-research-emails

MamaToABeautifulBoy · Yesterday 14:48

Merkins · Yesterday 14:38

Under 18s have never been allowed to medically transition. Please don’t opine on something you know nothing about.

You might want to check that before being quite so condescending. NHS England’s own policy allowed cross-sex hormones for 16 and 17-year-olds, and puberty blockers were also prescribed to under-18s. NHS England itself describes cross-sex hormones as being given “as part of a medical transition”.
You can certainly argue about terminology or whether those treatments should have been available, but “under-18s have never been allowed to medically transition” is simply not factually correct.

NowSober · Yesterday 14:46

Merkins · Yesterday 14:38

Under 18s have never been allowed to medically transition. Please don’t opine on something you know nothing about.

Under 18s have never been allowed to medically transition. Please don’t opine on something you know nothing about.

This is a lie. Prescription of puberty blockers for gender incongruence is illegal in the UK & cross sex hormones for under 18s are forbidden on the NHS but there are private providers either UK based or overseas who will do anything for money supply testosterone or oestrogen etc to under 18s.

MrsPaperweight · Yesterday 14:46

How do we know a kid is ‘genuinely’ trans? We simply don’t. There’s no test. No definitive criteria. It’s just ‘a feeling’. Sadly, that idea has taken root and instead of accepting gender non conforming kids as they are, we’ve given in to the idea that they can change ‘gender’. They can’t, and to mislead kids in this way is both cruel and damaging.

user91817161 · Yesterday 14:45

Merkins · Yesterday 14:38

Under 18s have never been allowed to medically transition. Please don’t opine on something you know nothing about.

You aren’t replying to me but you do realise the NHS was issuing cross sex hormones to 16 and 17 year olds?

Jane3212 · Yesterday 14:44

BackToLurk · Yesterday 10:54

I don’t think AJ’s child transitioned. Indeed I think she handled it in a very light-touch, let them just be an individual without labelling them type way.

Yes, I have my issues with Jolie but she handled that well. As did Pitt, apparently.

Back in the 90s, I know she had a relationship with Jenny Shizimu (masculine model who has never transitioned) so I wonder if that might be part of the reason she was able (unlike so many Hollywood stars) to compute that tomboy doesn't equal boy. At the same time, Shiloh seemed most tomboyish before the peak, so maybe that's also why.

Littlebearbutadog · Yesterday 14:43

Jane3212 · Yesterday 14:38

A lot of left wing papers have written on the Epstein files, though I agree they were awful on the trans issue (Observer and Morning Star better).
Do the Epstein files mention trans?? Didn't know that- do you have a link?

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Why would Epstein et al want to push trans?

NowSober · Yesterday 14:40

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 14:07

Yes, dh said to me viewing some of the Pride, “Why are they all disabled?” What I don’t know is do they throw the stick in the cupboard when they get home, or do they genuinely believe there is something wrong with them?

The pots thing is a bit of a racket. If anyone has seen the documentary “Crash”, the accused (or her lawyers) settled on (handily diagnosed) pots as being the reason for the fatal car crash. It’s one of those conditions that you can’t test for.

It’s one of those conditions that you can’t test for.

You absolutely can test for POTS. Proper diagnosis of POTS requires a tilt table test where the patient lies on a flat bed that's tilted upwards so their heart rate can be monitored.

Jane3212 · Yesterday 14:40

user91817161 · Yesterday 12:37

@DestituteDesperate not just middle class kids, if you look at the characteristics of children referred to the Tavistock gender clinic there were many with social factors including those in care

Yes, Julie Bindel had a really sad article on Blackpool.

https://unherd.com/2023/01/blackpools-forsaken-children/

Blackpool's forsaken children

Abused girls are choosing to transition

https://unherd.com/2023/01/blackpools-forsaken-children/

Merkins · Yesterday 14:40

Littlebearbutadog · Yesterday 14:37

Why?! 😬

Because they have disabilities. Of course, queen misogynist Kathleen Stock has declared it a social contagion because she really, really hates young women and cannot possibly conceive that they can think for themselves.

ILikeDungs · Yesterday 14:39

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 14:01

When I was at school in the 80s there was a subset of “different” girls who all hung together. They found God - but in an extremely performative way, not just being quiet churchgoers. Maybe today they are those weird Green Christian women you see with “Refugees Welcome” signs (whilst having no intention of receiving any themselves).

I expect if they had been at school now they would all have been enticed by the non-binary stuff.

Woah. Same shit, different decade. That reminded me of Meryn Cadell's I Been Redeemed --

Let it be known that I was fairly young and the indoctrination was very strong. It was in my homeroom class every day where I heard about livin' in torment if I didn't walk with Jesus.

Old Satan's mad, but I'm so glad
'cause he lost another soul that he thought he had
Old Satan's mad, but I'm so glad

It was a public school, with the science teacher hardly the right place, but who was to tell? Would you go home and tell your atheist parents, and risk the wrath of God?

Jane3212 · Yesterday 14:38

DestituteDesperate · Yesterday 13:02

Amazing thank you - in my area it’s all the middle class children overwhelmingly female that are trans.

I am glad to be informed about how widespread and nefarious the agenda is that’s affecting far more children.

funnily enough, in adulthood it seems to be perverts all using this agenda to gain access to women and children.

Funny how the left are so pro trans but say nothing on the Epstein files which repeatedly highlighted how much they wanted to push this agenda, things that make you go hmm.

A lot of left wing papers have written on the Epstein files, though I agree they were awful on the trans issue (Observer and Morning Star better).
Do the Epstein files mention trans?? Didn't know that- do you have a link?

Merkins · Yesterday 14:38

Hippodrome · Yesterday 08:09

Did you read my follow up comment? Puberty blockers at 13, cross sex hormones at 16 and one ftm had a receding hairline at 20. There’s no going back from that. Do you know about dilation? How skin grafts are taken from the arm to make a phallus?
I think they’ve changed the law in the uk so only adults can medically transition now but the damage has been done to those born in the early 2000s who transitioned as kids.
The fact kids medically transitioning has been banned means we now alll know it’s wrong but no one seems to wonder about those who went through it.

Under 18s have never been allowed to medically transition. Please don’t opine on something you know nothing about.

Littlebearbutadog · Yesterday 14:37

Whaaaatszuuup · Yesterday 09:02

Young women and teenagers are using walking sticks. It’s a bit of a thing.

Why?! 😬

Jane3212 · Yesterday 14:35

Hippodrome · Yesterday 08:18

All the ones I knew were on puberty blockers at 13 and 14. Even if it’s only a small percentage of people it still seems sad they’ve been completely abandoned when in 2016 they had trans kids on the front of a famous magazine and everyone was cheering it on. Most of them had childhood trauma or special needs and should have had better guidance. Now they’ve done irreversible damage to their bodies and society has just moved on from them

I wonder what percentage it was?? There was a lot of really worrying stuff, and still is, but I think overall the numbers probably were tiny in proportion to the number of children in the UK.

notyetbranded · Yesterday 14:28

There are still a lot of transgender people around, I work at a uni and we have quite a lot (maybe around 100) on campus. I have no issue aside from the very aggressive extreme ones (usually male who have transitioned to female) who insist they are biologically a woman now while trampling all over women’s rights and spaces at the same time.

Wilnis7 · Yesterday 14:26

i think the trans kid "trend" as you call it is very understandable when young people are fed very narrow views of what a woman or man should be and they think, well maybe i'm not like that, and then somebody is offering another view of what might be real then maybe they'll explore that.

all pretty simple really, but I'm sure jeremy clarkson thinks otherwise

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 14:07

Yes, dh said to me viewing some of the Pride, “Why are they all disabled?” What I don’t know is do they throw the stick in the cupboard when they get home, or do they genuinely believe there is something wrong with them?

The pots thing is a bit of a racket. If anyone has seen the documentary “Crash”, the accused (or her lawyers) settled on (handily diagnosed) pots as being the reason for the fatal car crash. It’s one of those conditions that you can’t test for.

FedUpCelery · Yesterday 14:06

I hope it is waning. I think the COVID kids were hardest hit. My youngest was too young to be online much and I assume her peers were too and it does seem there are fewer trans identified kids in her year.
She is the one child out of the three who I have been able to be completely open with about my feelings on the matter and in general she is the one most likely to have opinions slightly outside the 'norm' for their generation on other topics" "Don't tell my brothers but I think".....

HPFA · Yesterday 14:03

MagpiePi · Yesterday 09:07

AFAIK, women who take cross sex hormones go through early menopause which can include loss of bone density and mobility issues so they use walking sticks.

I think using one is the new version of blue hair to show you are a trans/ pronouns/queer ally type person.

i have a 22 year old DD with arthritis in her knees - she uses a stick sometimes but not always.

She gets much more offers of help when she isn't using the stick than when she does - maybe people are beginning to think it's a fashion choice? Whereas when she's just limping they don't assume she's faking that.

MaturingCheeseball · Yesterday 14:01

When I was at school in the 80s there was a subset of “different” girls who all hung together. They found God - but in an extremely performative way, not just being quiet churchgoers. Maybe today they are those weird Green Christian women you see with “Refugees Welcome” signs (whilst having no intention of receiving any themselves).

I expect if they had been at school now they would all have been enticed by the non-binary stuff.