Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

I really like your last paragraph. No one should be allowed to treat anyone differently in the name of religion.

There's one kid at my children's primary who is trans. He was rebranded as a girl at the start of y1 aged 5. They are in y6 and aged 10 now. I just feel really sorry for him and quite sad that his parents have failed him in this way. They changed the rules for the whole school re getting changed for PE so they didn't have to deal with where he changes. Now they go in wearing their kit and stay in it for the whole day twice a week. Before the girls changed in one classroom and the boys in another. I suspect puberty blockers are in his near future.

I hope and pray the trend is over.

I have skin in the game.

DD is non-binary in mid-20s. Started after first Covid lockdown/coincided w starting uni in 2020. Mental health was through the floor.

For the most part now I ignore it and hope it never goes any further (ie mastectomy). Impossible to have rational discussion.

She’s the whole package - n/b, lesbian, v left wing, nose ring, unshaven 🤢 to the underarm hair, tattoos, poor mental health and probably ND (waiting for full diagnosis), unconventional to the extreme.

We are middle-class, I wouldn’t say we were ‘gentle’ parents though, we were quite pushy in that they were educated well (both clever anyway), but still went to state schools.

I was actually chatting to my DS yesterday about it all (he’s a bit younger and not trans 🙏 and straight for context ), he’s supportive of DD and uses ‘they’ pronouns, I don’t use any 😂 but I started talking about female sports/spaces and he got where I was coming from. DD would just say ‘trans women are women’ - no sympathy for a traumatised women in a shelter.

I’m not sure about the younger generation but I think covid had a lot to answer for, being stuck in their rooms, living in an online echo chamber, their MH going down the toilet.

I actually have more ‘respect’ for young trans kids who’ve never been exposed to SM (so about 4/5) who want to be the other gender, then I tend more to think they’re the minority and really were ‘born in the wrong body’. I know if one such child, actually saw them recently and know that the parents weren’t on board at the start so it didn’t come from them.

i would love to see it wane, then maybe older trans people would desist. Obv as adults people can do what they want w their bodies, but children 100% need to be protected. I do wonder what the incidence of trans it amongst the ND vs NT communities. Would earlier diagnoses of autism lead to fewer trans children as their differences would be understood/them not think being the other gender could help them?

I was slaughtered on here back in the day for saying it was a stupid trend. Guess I was right after all.

Was going to say that. Know of non-binary children (usually girls) but dont know any trans. There are none in my DCs massive secondary school.

I wondered why Id seen so many young people from the more alternative crowd walking with sticks recently.

@Hippodrome I was at school in the 80s and 90s. People assumed I was a boy. Very tall. Buzz cut hair. Studied "boy" subjects. I hated being a girl.

I would have no doubt been one of those kids pushed into changing gender with hormones.

But then I figured out that gender isn't important. It's based in stereotypes. Misogynistic crap. I learned to be comfortable just being me.

I'm a person. Human. We shouldn't have to live in a society where people are treated differently.

We should be stamping out misogynistic views rather than people feeling them have to change to belong.

Different should be seen as normal. Everyone is different. That's a good thing.

No religion or group should be permitted that treat men and women differently. Or any group that treats anyone of protected characteristics differently.

People should have to change to belong.

It ruined things for my child... diagnosed with autism but was sent a chest binder secretly from Mermaids. My child is still somewhat fixated on this. The school encouraged this massively and decided to call my child by another name without informing me or even asking for my consent. Caused enormous issues at home as a result.

I read a pretty crazy statistic this week that stopped me in my tracks.

At the Tavistock clinic 25% of their kids were ‘care experienced’. (This is a few years ago)

The rate of care experienced kids in the general population - 0.67%.

Now it’s being reported that if a child in care identifies as trans they should get their own room or animal. So of course if kids with nothing have an incentive for space or love why not access it? It’s unbelievable.

If 25% of kids with red hair became trans they’d be carrying out genetic studies - but if it comes from adverse childhood experiences we should celebrate it???

Using sticks as though they have a physical disability or difficulty walking without one. I saw this recently visiting dc at university, the ones I saw were young men, in feminine clothes, all with walking sticks, I was surprised as I saw three in one day, it’s apparently a general trend.

Wondered what had happened to them. The dad was very odd.

To give the other end of the timeline, I was teaching through the whole of the noughties. My last couple of years were in a very left-wing area, not far from a famous clinic. If it was going to happen anywhere, it would have been there! I was in a senior position so aware of issues across the school and coming into contact with teachers from other schools. Not once did I hear about, see or come across a child who was questioning their gender identity. It just never, ever came up.

I believe that gender-questioning in children does genuinely exist but is a very, very rare phenomenon and that the spike in cases was all due to social contagion in the 2010s and onwards, possibly following the CBBC ‘I am Leo’ documentary in 2014. The phenomenon was then enabled by schools being more aware of the need for equalities policies following the Equality Act 2010 (which I think was a good thing btw).

I am also old enough to remember the ‘multiple personalities’ wave of the late nineties and early noughties, that was strange…

But that may not be universal experience. Just something you decided to focus on to prove your point.
My school friend in the 90s was (is) trans. Yea, his hairline is receding but he is currently an officer in the reserve army, works in cyber security, runs a small business, travels the world, takes part in the mud runner annually and has a very happy marriage.

Yes the new fad is to be non-binary.

It’s a trend, like others; albeit a more dangerous and damaging one than most.

Most of them would never have had the idea to do this had one or more of their peers not been doing it. And yes I do think there is often a ND element.

One of my DDs (autistic) wanted to bind her chest as a teen; another (recently diagnosed with ADHD at age 30) is now queer and non-binary, having been (apparently happily) female up till recently. Meeting and having a relationship with a trans-man-turned-non-binary person changed this.
I’ve met two of her friends who have had some surgery. They’re lovely people. I hope they have no regrets.

WHAT!!!!!!!!

I believe it’s moved more into the non-binary space…?!
The Pathways “clinical trial” has been used to approve the reinstatement of puberty blockers after Wes Streeting used emergency legislation powers to ban puberty blockers after the Cass review. For eg they want to counsel 8 year old boys on preserving sperm and yet they won’t be sexually mature then or able to produce samples to preserve. It’s very concerning on a wider basis. Meanwhile, the DSM on psychiatric disorders has re designated all of this as “sexual health” because the lobby groups didn’t want it to be a “disorder” anymore but most definitely did want NHS money to get stuff done on taxpayer funding so had to keep it in…intellectually seems quite dishonest. Look up Pathways.

AFAIK, women who take cross sex hormones go through early menopause which can include loss of bone density and mobility issues so they use walking sticks.

I think using one is the new version of blue hair to show you are a trans/ pronouns/queer ally type person.

Not heard or seen this locally.

In the UK it was always predominantly white, middle class kids in more affluent areas. I have been hearing about the trend for teenagers with walking sticks though have yet to actually see it.

Young women and teenagers are using walking sticks. It’s a bit of a thing.

The wave seems (unsurprisingly) to be coming through a bit later in the university context. I didn't really notice it till after 2020 and it hasn't ended yet.