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Is the trans kids trend over? Aibu to wonder what happened to the kids caught up in it in the 2010s?

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Hippodrome · Yesterday 07:28

As we know the period from the mid 10s to early 20s has been described as “woke 1” and is apparently “over”.
When I was at secondary school in the 2010s, there were four trans kids in my year group (3 FTMs and one mtf) the one mtf was autistic and in foster care. I was always nice to them and kept my views to myself but I’m wondering what’s going on with them now, they’ve completely dropped off the radar. None of them have social media accounts and no one else I went to school with had heard from them.

My daughter has just entered year 5 and doesn’t know any trans kids or even what one is, my neighbours teenage children don’t know any either and they’re the age I was when four classmates transitioned.

I know there’s a lot of teachers on mumsnet would this be your experience too?

Ive tried googling this but everyone seems to have moved on from it I think there may be a forgotten generation who’s lives have been ruined

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Hippodrome · Yesterday 09:58

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I remember debating this with a friend years ago and they said some would call me a hypocrite for being anti teens transitioning when I had a child so young.
You’d have to have a real understanding of what being trans for life entails to know why it’s different. The hormones, the surgery. Even if the surgery is successful you will never have a real penis or vagina (seems obvious but not to a young kid who’s usually autistic or has trauma and just hasn’t been properly informed by the mermaid cheerleaders) you can look up the results of post op
surgery it’s not pretty.
These poor children were experimented on

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user91817161 · Yesterday 09:58

@MoonDancer1 indeed I can’t imagine being in my 20’s, when most YP want to date and find a life partner and having to deal with joint pain, being incontinent,with loss of fertility and with sexual problems like painful vulva or inability to orgasm…all of which are side effects for young women who have been down the route of puberty blockers and /or testosterone . The teens and 20’s are absolutely crucial times to build up your bone density so we will have a generation of women with osteoporosis at a young age in the future . It’s bad enough dealing with the symptoms of loss of oestrogen as a menopausal woman!

kittensinthekitchen · Yesterday 09:56

Lentilcakes · Yesterday 09:21

I have skin in the game.

DD is non-binary in mid-20s. Started after first Covid lockdown/coincided w starting uni in 2020. Mental health was through the floor.

For the most part now I ignore it and hope it never goes any further (ie mastectomy). Impossible to have rational discussion.

She’s the whole package - n/b, lesbian, v left wing, nose ring, unshaven 🤢 to the underarm hair, tattoos, poor mental health and probably ND (waiting for full diagnosis), unconventional to the extreme.

We are middle-class, I wouldn’t say we were ‘gentle’ parents though, we were quite pushy in that they were educated well (both clever anyway), but still went to state schools.

I was actually chatting to my DS yesterday about it all (he’s a bit younger and not trans 🙏 and straight for context ), he’s supportive of DD and uses ‘they’ pronouns, I don’t use any 😂 but I started talking about female sports/spaces and he got where I was coming from. DD would just say ‘trans women are women’ - no sympathy for a traumatised women in a shelter.

I’m not sure about the younger generation but I think covid had a lot to answer for, being stuck in their rooms, living in an online echo chamber, their MH going down the toilet.

I actually have more ‘respect’ for young trans kids who’ve never been exposed to SM (so about 4/5) who want to be the other gender, then I tend more to think they’re the minority and really were ‘born in the wrong body’. I know if one such child, actually saw them recently and know that the parents weren’t on board at the start so it didn’t come from them.

i would love to see it wane, then maybe older trans people would desist. Obv as adults people can do what they want w their bodies, but children 100% need to be protected. I do wonder what the incidence of trans it amongst the ND vs NT communities. Would earlier diagnoses of autism lead to fewer trans children as their differences would be understood/them not think being the other gender could help them?

I love that you're apparently disgusted by your daughter having body hair, but not by the fact you let her down by not having her neurodivergence assessed and diagnosed at an earlier age 😂

HeboreoMaltian · Yesterday 09:52

It's over. Thank God.

Now everyone's moved on to being special via ADHD diagnoses.

NoArmaniNoPunani · Yesterday 09:51

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Mollymaid64 · Yesterday 09:50

I saw a teenage girl walking around Saundersfoot in the hot sunshine the other week. She clearly indentifies as a cat 🤣

MoonDancer1 · Yesterday 09:49

When DS was in year 8 there were a whole group of girls (bio) in his class who were trans, non binary etc, all in the same friendship group. The school put provisions in for them, changed names on the register etc. One of the group left and by year 11 they had all quietly dropped the male names/pronouns etc. I dread to think what would have happened to them if their clear social contagion has been indulged further. They are all be about 18 now. How horrifying that women in their 20 have brittle bones. What will become off then in 20-30 years? All the celebs and politicians who have championed this would have slunk away and moved onto the next omnicause and pretended it was nothing to do with them and these people will be left disabled and infertile.

user91817161 · Yesterday 09:48

In the USA ( we tend to follow behind USA trends) the peak for trans/NB identities amongst college students was apparently 2022/2023 and is falling since then. Hopefully as we regain our collective sanity - particularly in education and healthcare settings- we will have fewer children being pushed onto the route of harmful hormones and mutilating surgery, Unfortunately we still lack the resources to provide children with effective mental health care so there is still a crisis of children not having their needs met. https://thenewamerican.com/us/culture/transgenderism-declining-among-college-students-study/

Transgenderism Declining Among College Students: Study

A new study suggests the United States may have passed peak transgenderism, as the number of "transgender" college students has fallen.

https://thenewamerican.com/us/culture/transgenderism-declining-among-college-students-study/

Turquoisesea · Yesterday 09:47

I know someone FTM who has just graduated from uni (22) who is autistic. They have quite a few friends at uni who are also autistic and are trans (FTM). Sadly they have already started taking testosterone unbeknown to parents while at uni. I do think it’s so common for autistic young people who feel they don’t fit in to go this route and I think it’s only going to cause them more problems down the line.

WecanbeheroeslikeBowie · Yesterday 09:45

Screamingabdabz · Yesterday 09:29

A lot of people have had their livelihoods, reputations and in some cases, their sanity, for essentially saying the same thing.

Such an insidious ideology and just deeply worrying how quickly people and organisations were swept up in such an absurd and unscientific premise just to be seen to be “right on”.

My mind set is that I don't care what others think, so I wasn't bothered when people piled on me for my it's a stupid trend views.
It's the sheep mentality that would be laughable if it wasn't so stupid and inane.
There are a lot of messed up kids as a result of this stupidity and some parents who are abusive for encouraging it.

whatcanthematterbe81 · Yesterday 09:41

namechange62 · Yesterday 09:39

Raging about what? Raging about young people who were caught up in this mess? Raging about people who are now regretting getting surgery/puberty blockers?
You do know that because they raged they shed light on this issue? I would suggest that the raging was a very very good thing..

Calm down 😂 where did I say it wasn’t. Point proven

Pileofshoes · Yesterday 09:40

I fear it’s still going strong but pray it ends before my DD starts university in a couple of years. She is lesbian and autistic and so far hasn’t been captured by trans ideology. She does have one ftm trans friend who seems to be very dedicated. We live in a very poor diverse area. One of the few positives is that the mainly conservative religious population would kick off if the school came on strong with trans ideology. I think it’s still strong in middle class areas.

namechange62 · Yesterday 09:39

whatcanthematterbe81 · Yesterday 07:41

Crikey, you under a rock? It’s everywhere 😂. Go on the feminism board, they’re still raging

Raging about what? Raging about young people who were caught up in this mess? Raging about people who are now regretting getting surgery/puberty blockers?
You do know that because they raged they shed light on this issue? I would suggest that the raging was a very very good thing..

localnotail · Yesterday 09:35

I think its a huge indication of it being a trend, rather than anything else: as I said, my son's school doesn't have many trans children, maybe one or two in the Y10-11 but none in younger years. The reason - I think because of the catchment most of the kids are from North African, Turkish and Albanian families and its simply never been a "thing" among them. The only trans kids are white middle class children - English or west Europe.

namechange62 · Yesterday 09:35

Unfortunately I know of one person (ftm )who had top surgery as soon as they turned 18. They are now detransitioning and about to have implants surgery and in a relationship with a male... we all tried to get them to just wait before doing anything irreversible.. whilst accepting of them in all other areas.
They won't talk about it now..
And yes they are autistic.

OnlyOnWeekends · Yesterday 09:34

BeardofHagrid · Yesterday 07:46

That dreadful SacconeJoly family have got one (mtf). He’s about 12 I think and they have fled to Spain recently and got him dressing up as a girl again (when they were in England he’d gone back to boys clothing). I keep wondering what will happen long term. I’m sure they will feature on a crime documentary one day, the mother in particular gives me chills, she is so much like Ruby Franke :(

That dreadful father transitioned that poor child to pay his own bills. The mother just sat back and let it happen, happy as long as she had her designers items Shameful.

I think we will see lots of kids in vlogging families speaking up soon about what they were made to do and I hope Eduardo is one of them.

Screamingabdabz · Yesterday 09:29

WecanbeheroeslikeBowie · Yesterday 09:21

I was slaughtered on here back in the day for saying it was a stupid trend. Guess I was right after all.

A lot of people have had their livelihoods, reputations and in some cases, their sanity, for essentially saying the same thing.

Such an insidious ideology and just deeply worrying how quickly people and organisations were swept up in such an absurd and unscientific premise just to be seen to be “right on”.

Dancingonlies · Yesterday 09:29

Shedmistress · Yesterday 08:27

It is not over. Just last week, the Good Law Project, who share a director with Mumsnet, offered to fund 24 kids with puberty blockers and potentially cross sex hormones for free, sourced through Anne Health, run by a non medic who herself gave her son puberty blockers and cross sex hormones and took him to Thailand on his 16th birthday to have his penis inverted. In fact her and her mother found it hilarious that his penis was so small at that stage the doctors did not have enough material to work with.

Personally I think a Mumsnet Director adovcating to mutilate and sterilise kids is not 'in the spirit' of any parenting forum but hey ho.

So yes, people are still raging about it all, many people think sterilising and mutilating kids because they like the wrong toys is a bad thing.

Could you expand on this. Truly shocked.

Octavia64 · Yesterday 09:28

Hippodrome · Yesterday 09:06

I’ve actually noticed a few young people with diamond encrusted walking sticks and with toys attached to them, assumed they had issues with their legs. You’re telling me that’s a thing now?

Adhd was pretty big even when I was at school though

My dc has one (actually several) of those.

she does use a wheelchair.

there’s a trend for blinging up disability stuff - wheelchairs, sticks etc. her last wheelchair was purple

SethAndReubenTooSendGaloshes · Yesterday 09:27

Sinceyouasked · Yesterday 09:15

I read a pretty crazy statistic this week that stopped me in my tracks.

At the Tavistock clinic 25% of their kids were ‘care experienced’. (This is a few years ago)

The rate of care experienced kids in the general population - 0.67%.

Now it’s being reported that if a child in care identifies as trans they should get their own room or animal. So of course if kids with nothing have an incentive for space or love why not access it? It’s unbelievable.

If 25% of kids with red hair became trans they’d be carrying out genetic studies - but if it comes from adverse childhood experiences we should celebrate it???

What do you mean they get their own room or animal??

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · Yesterday 09:26

beaglescurleduplikebagels · Yesterday 08:15

There are a lot of videos on TikTok now from people who are detransitioning and who are admitting they were either mentally unwell or getting swept up by the online popularity of it all.

It was a ‘fashion’. I certainly know of one who declared herself trans because - I am quite sure - it was a) fashionable and b) she knew it would piss her parents off.

Of course she was a spoilt, entitled little madam anyway.

Hippodrome · Yesterday 09:26

WecanbeheroeslikeBowie · Yesterday 09:21

I was slaughtered on here back in the day for saying it was a stupid trend. Guess I was right after all.

Yeah culture around it’s definitely changed. You werent allowed to question it at all a few years back.
While you can now I’ve actually seen a little gaslighting around it online, when someone talks about knowing kids who were on puberty blockers as young teens or pre teens someone will come along and say “that literally never happened”

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localnotail · Yesterday 09:26

I do feel for the kids who have been on cross sex hormones and even have been castrated or had mastectomies before they reached adulthood. Child abuse and mutilation, pure and simple.

SethAndReubenTooSendGaloshes · Yesterday 09:25

It's definitely not over. Working in social work I see a good number come through the doors though of course none of them are on puberty blockers which is a very positive change. My DSD is teetering on the cusp, wearing trans colours as well as the rainbow and the bi colours, she has a pin badge on her school bag saying she/they but so far has not said anything to us. She goes to one of the worst schools in Brighton for this shit and it's still trendy there within a certain demographic (autistic, socially awkward and/or genuinely LGB)

WecanbeheroeslikeBowie · Yesterday 09:24

MagpiePi · Yesterday 09:07

AFAIK, women who take cross sex hormones go through early menopause which can include loss of bone density and mobility issues so they use walking sticks.

I think using one is the new version of blue hair to show you are a trans/ pronouns/queer ally type person.

I've had blue hair for decades and very much straight thanks😆