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AIBU to want spending cuts rather than more tax rises?

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PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 10:07

The foundations are being laid for more tax rises in the October Budget.

https://www.ft.com/content/6d43b599-3d7c-471c-88c2-0f056475a840?syn-25a6b1a6=1

AIBU to ask for savings in spending to help balance the budget rather than more taxes.

With welfare spending at nearly £1bn each day, when is enough, enough?

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Katypp · Yesterday 16:19

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:15

'Jobs for the English', you mean?

Change English to British and explain to me what exactly is the problem with a country having a policy of prioritising its own citizens for employment?
Or housing, healthcare or anything else actually.

sassyclassyandsmartassy · Yesterday 16:20

There is a massive amount of Tong wastage in the civil service and public services, including the NHS which is poorly run at the top and needs less management and more boots on the ground, anyone that works within these will tell you this. All due to a lack of being held to account in spend in all areas, like a usual business would (and before anyone starts I get the NHS is not a business, but the wastage on management and admin is ridiculous). Cut nett zero.

Thats before we get into the other suggestions on here.

Yes, I am sorry, but it is high time we cut spend, made hard work pay by making it rewarding. Reward small businesses for growth and employment and raised the tax the thresholds. Let’s get more money back in people’s pockets and savings pots and more people out making that money and boosting the economy.

We also need to stop MPs taking back handers and having other jobs and cut the House of Lords. The system is far too corrupt and self serving in politics.

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:22

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 15:32

If they've earned the money from the British economy, they can reinvest it in the British ecconomy.
Fine with them exemping wages, or setting a free allowence amount, but sending big sums abroad should come with some level of acountability.

Currency export restrictions? The UK feels more and more like the USSR every day...

It can occasionally be helpful short term to prevent an economic shock, but it tends to stifle foreign investment and trade, and often leads to corruption.

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:24

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:22

Currency export restrictions? The UK feels more and more like the USSR every day...

It can occasionally be helpful short term to prevent an economic shock, but it tends to stifle foreign investment and trade, and often leads to corruption.

"...often leads to corruption"
But letting peoole send vast amounts of money out of the country without restriction or penalty doesn't?

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:26

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:24

"...often leads to corruption"
But letting peoole send vast amounts of money out of the country without restriction or penalty doesn't?

Ermm...no....
Why would it?

Whereas currency export restrictions almost always lead to black markets and also bribery of customs officials. Or at least always have in the socialist countries where it was common. The UK did OK when we briefly restricted currency exports during and after the war - but the UK was pretty honest at that time. Our culture has changed hugely since then.

Unless you mean benefit recipients sending taxpayer money out of the country, despite the pleading that benefits are barely enough to live on. I've already said that I'd support stopping that.

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:28

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:26

Ermm...no....
Why would it?

Whereas currency export restrictions almost always lead to black markets and also bribery of customs officials. Or at least always have in the socialist countries where it was common. The UK did OK when we briefly restricted currency exports during and after the war - but the UK was pretty honest at that time. Our culture has changed hugely since then.

Unless you mean benefit recipients sending taxpayer money out of the country, despite the pleading that benefits are barely enough to live on. I've already said that I'd support stopping that.

Edited

No I'm talking about the millions being sent out by the wealthy to avoid tax.

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 16:29

Katypp · Yesterday 16:19

Change English to British and explain to me what exactly is the problem with a country having a policy of prioritising its own citizens for employment?
Or housing, healthcare or anything else actually.

So you’d be happy for this country to formalise the creation of two-tier economics and exacerbate the issue of ghettoisation, would you? Oh well, you do you.

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 16:31

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:16

Oh stop inventing nonsense to bolster your own sense of self-satisfaction.

It's not racist to want to employ UK residents instead of handing out visas to people we're not responsible for, leaving the UK people we have to pay for on benefits instead of them doing that perfectly easy to do unskilled job.

It's also not racist to expect immigrants to integrate, learn the language, take on key UK values, work and contribute. That's what you sign up for when you join a new country - or else it bloody should be.

These are perfectly normal expectations, and if you had the slightest vision you'd understand that there's no moral high ground in blindly running the UK into massive decline through thoughtless woke ideology.

Woke nonsense? Or merely sentiments with which you personally disagree?

Good to chat. Enjoy your Sunday.

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:32

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:28

No I'm talking about the millions being sent out by the wealthy to avoid tax.

It's sadly very difficult to invest money outside the UK and not have to pay UK tax on it.

As I said, the UK government gets its greedy little hands on UK residents' worldwide income and capital gains, and IHT on world wide assets too.

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:33

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:32

It's sadly very difficult to invest money outside the UK and not have to pay UK tax on it.

As I said, the UK government gets its greedy little hands on UK residents' worldwide income and capital gains, and IHT on world wide assets too.

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Not difficult enough apparently.

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:34

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:33

Not difficult enough apparently.

Would you like to give some examples: of how to do it and of who has?

Or are you just repeating populist Leftie nonsense?

Ihateboris · Yesterday 16:35

Triple lock needs to go
Civil service pensions need to be reduced
Get the Royal family to pay their share of tax, and not just what they fancy paying

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:36

Similar level of populist delusion as 'the rich need to pay their fair share' when they are already subsidising everyone else way, way above anything that could be considered fair or reasonable.

NancyThompson · Yesterday 16:36

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 16:29

So you’d be happy for this country to formalise the creation of two-tier economics and exacerbate the issue of ghettoisation, would you? Oh well, you do you.

It used to work like that - if you didn't have ILR and wanted a job/to change jobs, the company needed to prove that there was no-one else suitable from the UK and EU.

There still isn't eligibility for benefits without ILR either.
But bluntly put, if you've been given a work visa for the UK, and are no longer needed, then yes, home time.

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:38

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:34

Would you like to give some examples: of how to do it and of who has?

Or are you just repeating populist Leftie nonsense?

Shell, BP, Unilever, AstraZeneca, Rio Tinto...
Or are you just parroting Right Wing the poor should be in the workhouse nonsense?

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:50

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:38

Shell, BP, Unilever, AstraZeneca, Rio Tinto...
Or are you just parroting Right Wing the poor should be in the workhouse nonsense?

So you're talking about the structure and operations of international companies?

Not wealthy UK residents?

Glad we cleared that up.

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:52

Good luck with getting any large multinationals investing in the UK if you don't allow them currency movement by the way 😂

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:52

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:50

So you're talking about the structure and operations of international companies?

Not wealthy UK residents?

Glad we cleared that up.

I mean wealthy residents too, but you insisted on taking the conversation down the route of companies so...

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:54

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:52

Good luck with getting any large multinationals investing in the UK if you don't allow them currency movement by the way 😂

They're welcome to i vest in the UK, they're not welcome to syphon the wealth out of it.
Why are we simping for large multinationals?

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:55

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:52

I mean wealthy residents too, but you insisted on taking the conversation down the route of companies so...

No I didn't. What are you talking about?

I said "the UK government gets its greedy little hands on UK residents' worldwide income and capital gains, and IHT on world wide assets too."

Individuals.

It was you who listed "Shell, BP, Unilever, AstraZeneca, Rio Tinto.."

International companies.

Goota · Yesterday 16:56

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:24

"...often leads to corruption"
But letting peoole send vast amounts of money out of the country without restriction or penalty doesn't?

This would damage our financial sector

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:57

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:55

No I didn't. What are you talking about?

I said "the UK government gets its greedy little hands on UK residents' worldwide income and capital gains, and IHT on world wide assets too."

Individuals.

It was you who listed "Shell, BP, Unilever, AstraZeneca, Rio Tinto.."

International companies.

You asked "who"... who else am I going to list, you think I have the personal.banking details for indivuduals? Or did you design it as a bad faith question?

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 16:57

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:54

They're welcome to i vest in the UK, they're not welcome to syphon the wealth out of it.
Why are we simping for large multinationals?

Ermm... because half of all UK residents expect all sorts of benefits that they aren't paying for...

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 16:57

Goota · Yesterday 16:56

This would damage our financial sector

How?

ThreeLocusts · Yesterday 16:58

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 00:24

The reason why bankers get paid a lot is that they literally have the hand in the cash till, not that they are more intelligent. Jesus wept

Let me guess you aren't high earner?

@nearlylovemyusername

Define 'high earner'?
My salary is well above the UK median and my household income over 2x the median. I'm fortunate to still be comfortable despite the rising cost of living. But I don't draw a six-figure salary.

Your attempt to imply that I wrote what I wrote out of envy or ignorance may say more about you than me.

I've moved a lot and lived among a lot of highly educated people. In my experience, those with the highest-spec brains have tended to go into science and often ended up working very challenging lab jobs with ridiculously low salaries and not a lot of status. Very few scientists become 'high earners'.
Those who went into banking tended to be of two kinds: either they were really good at maths, or they had slightly above-average intelligence, a strong sense of entitlement, and they cared about money. One professional mathematician I know who is also really good at understanding social processes (a very different thing) works for peanuts for a polling firm. One mathematician I've know who did very well in banking was brutally (and somewhat self-servingly) naive about politics and policy. Intelligence isn't all one thing.

Possibly the hardest-working and one of the smartest person(s) I know is a doctor in an African country; she has a middle-class lifestyle in terms of local purchasing power but would be poor in Europe. Another really smart person I knew, also a doctor, died in poverty because she was also a, wise and b, depressed, and worked 'only' as a locum. She said she was wary of the power patients ascribe to doctors, she didn't want to be the demigod in a white cloak.

Point being: to claim that there is a linear relationship between intelligence and income is, well, not very smart. But is IS a very convenient way for the haves to pretend they deserve their wealth, whatever may be going on with the have-nots, and that is why it posses me off. @Goota