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AIBU to want spending cuts rather than more tax rises?

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PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 10:07

The foundations are being laid for more tax rises in the October Budget.

https://www.ft.com/content/6d43b599-3d7c-471c-88c2-0f056475a840?syn-25a6b1a6=1

AIBU to ask for savings in spending to help balance the budget rather than more taxes.

With welfare spending at nearly £1bn each day, when is enough, enough?

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PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 13:34

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:26

Which parts of that demographic, specifically, do you consider to be 'NOT poor'?

Well those in the HoL for a start!

Most pensioners, and Civil Servants.

A good chunk on benefits too.

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NancyThompson · Yesterday 13:34

Goota · Yesterday 13:32

Why does anyone have a "genuine right" to live off someone else's money?

Genuine right to live off someone else's money. Genuine right to live in someone else's country. Rights all round! Except the right to hang onto much of the money you actually work to earn.

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 13:35

NancyThompson · Yesterday 13:10

Jobs should be given to the best UK citizen/resident for the job.

We should clearly not be giving visas to low-skilled migrants when we have job shortages and UK citizens who could work in these roles.

And that's the essence of debate - we do have plenty of people who can do jobs, mainly low skilled ones, but we have to import workforce from abroad because locals have welfare net. Why would a British citizen work in care or pick fruit if they can claim anxiety and depression?

Goota · Yesterday 13:35

NancyThompson · Yesterday 13:34

Genuine right to live off someone else's money. Genuine right to live in someone else's country. Rights all round! Except the right to hang onto much of the money you actually work to earn.

Shock horror that makes you selfish!

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:35

Goota · Yesterday 12:15

There's a poster who hasn't and "can't work" for 20 years due to "MH" but frequently comments on posts on MN

Commenting on MN isn’t the same as being responsible for getting a job done. It’s voluntary and could be helping their mental health issues.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:37

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 12:06

So don't means test it. Drastically increase the age it starts. If people want to retire earlier, they can fund that with private savings.
If my oncologist didn't want to work, I'd expect they'd employ another oncologist.
I'm mid-40s I know in the nexr decade the system us going to collapse, I'm simply planning not to retire. I'm slowly building my career in a "remote working whatever hours I want from anywhere with an internet connection" direction and have been for a number of years.

How many houses have you built?How many carpets have you fitted? How many bins have you emptied?

Bunnyofhope · Yesterday 13:38

So if an economy is allowed to fail as per Greece a few years ago the following had to happen...

Slashed Pensions and Wages: Public sector wages and state pensions were repeatedly cut, with some pensions falling by up to 40% over the course of the crisis.
Deep Public Spending Reductions: Budgets for health care, education, and public services were drastically reduced.
Massive Tax Hikes: Sales taxes (VAT) and income taxes increased sharply, alongside the introduction of new property taxes. [1]

Structural Reforms
Labor Market Deregulation: Laws were changed to make it easier to fire workers, cut collective bargaining power, and lower the minimum wage. [1]
Privatization: The government was required to sell off state assets, including regional airports, ports (such as Piraeus), and public utilities, to raise cash.
Market Liberalization: Regulations on closed professions (like pharmacists, truck drivers, and bakers) were loosened to increase market competition. [1]
(Copied from AI, but widely available).
This is what those of us who want cuts and less borrowing are trying to avoid. We are not just big meanies.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:40

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:27

No wonder. We have fuck all left after the Tories.

We have fuck all left due to Labour, currently in power.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:41

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 12:28

The CPAG definition of poverty is fundamentally flawed.

Of course it is. According to you. You have a worrying lack of empathy for people less fortunate.

There but for the Grace.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:42

Millytante · Yesterday 12:29

Your last sentence is flipping hilarious

Work houses!

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:42

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:26

Although mumsnet relies on AWS, ie Amazon

I agree that's less than ideal.

Marchitectmummy · Yesterday 13:45

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 12:53

I’ve looked. They’re all the same council as we only have one.

That’s the problem on here. People think their personal circumstances are the same across the UK.

I think there is a bigger issue that you aren't understanding what this person is discussing. You can not be part of a Parish council and be governed only by the Parish it isn't possible. And if you are not part of a Parish what the person is describing does not apply to where you live.

So all due respect the problem isn't them not thinking about different circumstances across the UK it is you not understanding how governance works in the UK.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:46

Jaxhog · Yesterday 12:38

It's easy for those who don't pay the current max tax to want no cuts and more tax - they won't be paying it.

It has to be cuts. Anything else is unaffordable. I have to live within my budget, why shouldn't the country have to do so?

The country doesn’t. Hence tax rises to pay the UK debt. You pay for water in England Ffs. WATER.

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:46

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:17

Do you have any dc who might want to work at some point?

Or know anyone looking for a job? Did you even see the NEET figures.

Yes (adult stepchild), yes and yes. It doesn't mean I'm in favour of a 'jobs for the English only' philosophy.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:48

daisyfallout · Yesterday 12:38

Read the original report and the research it actually refers to.

I quoted the figures upthread. The minimum net threshold they're using for these statistics is £624 a week for a lone parent with two children and £790 for a couple with two children, after what they define as unavoidable costs (housing, childcare, water and council tax).

It then rather artfully compares this with the wider gross income distribution, glossing over the fact that higher earners are paying substantial amounts of tax and meeting those same unavoidable costs entirely out of their own pockets.

Call me insensitive, but I struggle to describe this as poverty. I suspect plenty of perfectly ordinary middle class households have less genuinely disposable income left at the end of the week.

So you would prefer more children living in poverty?

NancyThompson · Yesterday 13:48

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:46

Yes (adult stepchild), yes and yes. It doesn't mean I'm in favour of a 'jobs for the English only' philosophy.

No indeed, that would discriminate against Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · Yesterday 13:48

strawberrybubblegum · 05/09/2026 10:30

Kemi Badenoch has proposed and costed:

£4bn annually through housing benefit reforms (why on earth should benefit claimants get to live wherever they like? All the rest of us have to live in an area we can afford Confused )

£3.1bn annually from reimposing the two-child benefit cap.

£1bn annually by ending VAT exemptions for motability vehicles.

And £200m per year by scrapping Labour’s deal to give away the Chagos Islands.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/615917bc8ad0e86a

Sounds like a good start!

Agree. I'd also make benefits harder to receive. Seriously oisses me off ... a duende can walk over 15 miles a day at speed ... gets PIP, doesn't work.

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:48

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 13:34

Well those in the HoL for a start!

Most pensioners, and Civil Servants.

A good chunk on benefits too.

House of Lords, yes obviously.

There are many pensioners on the breadline (I get so sick of this assumption that most/all pensioners are wealthy) and many civil servants earning barely above min wage.

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:50

NancyThompson · Yesterday 13:48

No indeed, that would discriminate against Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people.

OK, so we're to assume your philosophy is 'Jobs for the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish only'? Thanks for clarifying,

NowSober · Yesterday 13:51

ByQuaintAzureWasp · Yesterday 13:48

Agree. I'd also make benefits harder to receive. Seriously oisses me off ... a duende can walk over 15 miles a day at speed ... gets PIP, doesn't work.

Seriously oisses me off ... a duende can walk over 15 miles a day at speed ... gets PIP, doesn't work
I had to look it up but even so I still don't understand this sentence. According to Wikipedia a duende is a Spanish term that describes a sudden, powerful surge of deep emotion, expression, and authenticity in art or performance.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:52

JeanSimmons · Yesterday 12:46

That would be a very good start indeed. The two child cap should never have been lifted. People need to live within their means and have the families they can afford, not expect the country to subsidise them.

I agree. We need to stop the benefit of free childcare for children aged 9 months to 4 years.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:52

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:46

Yes (adult stepchild), yes and yes. It doesn't mean I'm in favour of a 'jobs for the English only' philosophy.

Even at a vape shop? It’s great for a young adult. Retail has been damaged by Labour already. It’s where many young adults work.

Your post just shows how easy it is to land with damaging economic policies due to a line like the one you are using.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:53

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:50

OK, so we're to assume your philosophy is 'Jobs for the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish only'? Thanks for clarifying,

This is really not sensible. Ik you want to follow the point through but think about actual jobs and NEETs.

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:55

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:53

This is really not sensible. Ik you want to follow the point through but think about actual jobs and NEETs.

So you're advocating that those not from those countries be denied employment, then? What do you expect them to live on, if so?

daisyfallout · Yesterday 13:57

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:48

So you would prefer more children living in poverty?

Yes, yes, I absolutely would (evil laughter).

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