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AIBU to want spending cuts rather than more tax rises?

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PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 10:07

The foundations are being laid for more tax rises in the October Budget.

https://www.ft.com/content/6d43b599-3d7c-471c-88c2-0f056475a840?syn-25a6b1a6=1

AIBU to ask for savings in spending to help balance the budget rather than more taxes.

With welfare spending at nearly £1bn each day, when is enough, enough?

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TangyChina · Yesterday 10:36

Arthur laffer in the times ,the laffer curve there is a point where high taxes stop money coming in because it strangles everything else

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:36

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 10:33

gotcha. You can't give something to your son so you're really keen to make sure no one else can have it.

You'd be surprised that most of those parents works ridiculous hours in super stressful jobs, frequently in very toxic environment, to be able to afford such choice. But you're welcome to frame it as luck.

I am saying they are lucky they have a choice. I don't genuinely care about the VAT to be honest or understand why it is relevant on here. It doesn't even cross my mind until someone randomly brought it up on here. I suspect private school wouldn't even take my kid if I could pay nor would parents want him there.

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 10:37

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:18

How many disabled kids go to private school anyway?

Well 42% get extra time in exams which would suggest some form of disability.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ofqual-investigates-extra-exam-time-at-private-schools/

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Badbadbunny · Yesterday 10:38

AgnesX · Yesterday 10:27

The majority of your cuts are aimed at very specific groups of people, namely women, the disabled and the elderly. So much for equality and inclusion.

You're also not taking into account the amount of administration needed to introduce some of these policies while also chopping the workforce aka the civil servants, who would have to implement them.

Also, by reducing a lot of people's income you're taking money out of the economy at a local level.

The admin is a red herring. Successive governments have managed to means test the winter fuel allowance, child benefit, free childcare, tapering away of the personal allowance, etc., via the tax system. They've also managed to put student loan repayments through the tax system. They can do it when they want to. Universal credit is means tested, as was tax credits. The mechanisms are already in place.

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 10:38

Depends who they're taxing, but generally, no.
Welfare spending is insane... we do need to tax the super wealthy more though.

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:39

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 10:37

Well 42% get extra time in exams which would suggest some form of disability.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ofqual-investigates-extra-exam-time-at-private-schools/

Oh so you want more taxes on everyone else because you have been taxed on your entirely own choice to private school your kids.

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 10:40

Ginmonkeyagain · Yesterday 10:07

I love the idea of scrapping the HOL. So many of these ideas are "I don'tnlike it or understand it so we shouldn't fund ir".

You can look at composition and allowances, but we do need a second chamber of some sort, it is a pretty vital check and balance.

Not to mention the cost of the HOL is chicken feed compared to our annual deficit of tens of billions, the national debt of trillions, annual interest paid more than the education budget, etc. The debt figures are huge and tinkering around the edges just won't cut it.

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 10:41

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 10:38

Depends who they're taxing, but generally, no.
Welfare spending is insane... we do need to tax the super wealthy more though.

I agree, we need to tax the super wealthy more (though it's hard because it's international), but we also need to cut the benefits bill and increase the efficiency of public spending. We need to chip away at lots of different things to make a dent.

But we also need to find ways of keeping the "super wealthy" in the country. Under Brown/Blair, the govt made "sweetheart deals" to get international firms to move to/stay in the UK. Deals were struck with millionaire Olympic athletes to exempt them from UK taxes for them to come to the London Olympics. Imagine what a flop the London Olympics would have been had the likes of Mo Farah decided not to come!

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 10:41

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:39

Oh so you want more taxes on everyone else because you have been taxed on your entirely own choice to private school your kids.

I was specifically highlighting the injustice of VAT added to additional learning support. That is a direct tax on disability. It’s absolutely shameful.

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RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 10:43

Ginmonkeyagain · 05/09/2026 10:47

The only way you can make a meaningful dent in the welfare budget is by looking at the state pension. Everyone who wants to "cut the welfare bill" finds this out at some point.

We absolutely need to look at the state pension, we can't afford it... and it's not like aging is a surprise that catches anyone out. Sooner or later someone is going to have to tell pensioners "no".

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:47

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 10:41

I was specifically highlighting the injustice of VAT added to additional learning support. That is a direct tax on disability. It’s absolutely shameful.

Yet you are advocating spending cuts which means my child is struggling to get an EHCP and will be given little support which will affect the learning of other children? Where are else are these cuts going to be but local authorities?

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 10:48

RainbowMoonbeam · Yesterday 10:43

We absolutely need to look at the state pension, we can't afford it... and it's not like aging is a surprise that catches anyone out. Sooner or later someone is going to have to tell pensioners "no".

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Nail on the head. We need to engage younger people to vote. At the moment, it's the older demographic more likely to vote so all the political parties are scared of alienating the "grey" vote. Get the young voting and we may get some political change.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:49

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:47

Yet you are advocating spending cuts which means my child is struggling to get an EHCP and will be given little support which will affect the learning of other children? Where are else are these cuts going to be but local authorities?

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You’d be better off with parents who can use private doing so as it lowers cost to the state.

Politicians are pretty good at convincing people to add 20% as it hurts someone else instead.

Such a shame people fall for it.

daisyfallout · Yesterday 10:50

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:29

For the majority of parents sending their child private the VAT rise will be annoying but they can afford it. I feel sorry for the ones affected. At least they have that choice though. Why would I be happy about it? Money gives you choices though.

What is the relevance of private schools on this thread anyway? People who can pay for private schools should not be jealous of those recieving benefits.

Look, it is fairly clear that you know absolutely nothing about the reality of private SEN schooling, or the sacrifices parents make to afford it.

As I said before, my typical working week is around 70-80 hours, and that seems to be pretty standard among the fee-paying parents at my eldest's school. There is nothing stopping you from taking on another 35h job to pay private school fees and enjoying the same supposed privilege, if that's a choice you're inclined to make. You could, quite literally, start tomorrow.

And do you know who paid when my son trashed my kitchen (well technically my landlord's kitchen). Me. Shock horror.

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:52

I don't even include the huge number of alcoholics and druggies littering our streets because services have been cut but I suppose as long as it happens in poor areas that is fine. I genuinely don't think we can cut more spending as the impact is awful already where I live.

NowSober · Yesterday 10:52

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 10:48

Nail on the head. We need to engage younger people to vote. At the moment, it's the older demographic more likely to vote so all the political parties are scared of alienating the "grey" vote. Get the young voting and we may get some political change.

16 & 17 year olds will be able to vote at the next general election. We should be starting now to get them engaged with politics.

TangyChina · Yesterday 10:52

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 10:37

Well 42% get extra time in exams which would suggest some form of disability.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/ofqual-investigates-extra-exam-time-at-private-schools/

Or Sen it could be very mild ,processing issues ,mild dyslexia etc

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 10:54

PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 10:40

Complete cut to foreign aid.

25% cut to the civil service.

25% cut to all welfare.

Reinstate a child benefit cap (3 children).

Mandatory in person PiP review for all claimants.

Scrap triple lock, winter fuel allowance, free TV licence, free bus passes for the elderly.

Motability only for UK manufactured cars, basic models only.

Cut House of Lords down from 1000 to say 200.

You do realise it would have been quicker just to write 'I want the poor and vulnerable to starve so I can keep more of my money', right?

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:54

daisyfallout · Yesterday 10:50

Look, it is fairly clear that you know absolutely nothing about the reality of private SEN schooling, or the sacrifices parents make to afford it.

As I said before, my typical working week is around 70-80 hours, and that seems to be pretty standard among the fee-paying parents at my eldest's school. There is nothing stopping you from taking on another 35h job to pay private school fees and enjoying the same supposed privilege, if that's a choice you're inclined to make. You could, quite literally, start tomorrow.

And do you know who paid when my son trashed my kitchen (well technically my landlord's kitchen). Me. Shock horror.

DLA is not means tested if your child qualifies which then you could have used to pay for the kitchen or your landlord should have done.

Yes there is something stopping me working more. No family nearby and no childcare will take him for very long. I suspect you would know that if you were as knowledgeable as you say you are. I did say I would work more if I could.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:55

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:52

I don't even include the huge number of alcoholics and druggies littering our streets because services have been cut but I suppose as long as it happens in poor areas that is fine. I genuinely don't think we can cut more spending as the impact is awful already where I live.

But people are voting for higher taxes, pushing more people to use state and higher borrowing. It’s not working to do what you’re after.

AndyKitten · Yesterday 10:55

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:29

For the majority of parents sending their child private the VAT rise will be annoying but they can afford it. I feel sorry for the ones affected. At least they have that choice though. Why would I be happy about it? Money gives you choices though.

What is the relevance of private schools on this thread anyway? People who can pay for private schools should not be jealous of those recieving benefits.

Annoying?

You are completely tone deaf, aren’t you?

DontBuyAnotherBook · Yesterday 10:55

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 10:54

You do realise it would have been quicker just to write 'I want the poor and vulnerable to starve so I can keep more of my money', right?

Ha yes.

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 10:55

NowSober · Yesterday 10:52

16 & 17 year olds will be able to vote at the next general election. We should be starting now to get them engaged with politics.

I suspect that's part of why Andy Burnham does his "dumbed down" social media posts.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 10:56

PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 10:40

Complete cut to foreign aid.

25% cut to the civil service.

25% cut to all welfare.

Reinstate a child benefit cap (3 children).

Mandatory in person PiP review for all claimants.

Scrap triple lock, winter fuel allowance, free TV licence, free bus passes for the elderly.

Motability only for UK manufactured cars, basic models only.

Cut House of Lords down from 1000 to say 200.

So mostly cut money from the poorest?

SomethingFun · Yesterday 10:57

Bit of AI but apparently in Sweden:

A single parent with one 3 year old who has exhausted their out of work benefits based on their previous earnings gets the equivalent of £660ish after bills and rent and has to do full time job seeking or study to get that. In the uk it’s £885 apparently plus housing and council tax help.

The average female Swedish pensioner gets the equivalent of £1300ish a month off the state but they will have paid in 18.5% (of which 16% goes to state pension) of their taxable salary when working - bit different to NI contributions here which apparently are worth £888 to the average female pensioner (who I assume at that level either gets pension credit or supplements with a private pension).

So yes people in higher taxed countries perhaps get more in some circumstances but I think the expectations are much higher on the individual to help themselves too. This also shows how unsustainable our current system is - higher tax and higher expectation countries aren’t paying out as much as we do.

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