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AIBU to want spending cuts rather than more tax rises?

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PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 10:07

The foundations are being laid for more tax rises in the October Budget.

https://www.ft.com/content/6d43b599-3d7c-471c-88c2-0f056475a840?syn-25a6b1a6=1

AIBU to ask for savings in spending to help balance the budget rather than more taxes.

With welfare spending at nearly £1bn each day, when is enough, enough?

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NancyThompson · Yesterday 14:13

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:50

OK, so we're to assume your philosophy is 'Jobs for the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish only'? Thanks for clarifying,

Not if they're highly-skilled, a skill or qualification in short supply, and offer a salary that will enable to become a net contributor.

Is my philosophy not to import net-beneficiary low-wage immigrants (and their families)? Oh yes.

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 14:12

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 14:10

I haven’t voted Labour since we got Tony Blair instead of John Smith.

O.M.G, please tell me you're not irrational/uninformed enough to vote Green?!?

If you do, this discussion is pointless...

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 14:12

Bunnyofhope · Yesterday 13:38

So if an economy is allowed to fail as per Greece a few years ago the following had to happen...

Slashed Pensions and Wages: Public sector wages and state pensions were repeatedly cut, with some pensions falling by up to 40% over the course of the crisis.
Deep Public Spending Reductions: Budgets for health care, education, and public services were drastically reduced.
Massive Tax Hikes: Sales taxes (VAT) and income taxes increased sharply, alongside the introduction of new property taxes. [1]

Structural Reforms
Labor Market Deregulation: Laws were changed to make it easier to fire workers, cut collective bargaining power, and lower the minimum wage. [1]
Privatization: The government was required to sell off state assets, including regional airports, ports (such as Piraeus), and public utilities, to raise cash.
Market Liberalization: Regulations on closed professions (like pharmacists, truck drivers, and bakers) were loosened to increase market competition. [1]
(Copied from AI, but widely available).
This is what those of us who want cuts and less borrowing are trying to avoid. We are not just big meanies.

It's going to take the IMF instructing the UK to do the same to get things changed to solve the problem. We're not yet at the stage of needing IMF help, but we're definitely getting closer. I suspect a lot of politicians are hoping that happens so they can claim "It's not our fault, the IMF made us do it" when it comes to reducing benefits (inc state pensions), cutting public sector bloat and inefficiency, increasing taxes, etc.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 14:12

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 14:10

Well there has been absolutely zero compassion shown for the 43,000 private school kids forced to change schools due to VAT.

If there is no compassion for kids like mine, why the fuck should I show compassion for other people’s kids.

Does your child have needs that couldn’t be met at a state school?

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 14:10

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:08

Yeh sure pal, pointless Labour laughing emoji

I haven’t voted Labour since we got Tony Blair instead of John Smith.

PinkFruitbat · Yesterday 14:10

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:41

Of course it is. According to you. You have a worrying lack of empathy for people less fortunate.

There but for the Grace.

Well there has been absolutely zero compassion shown for the 43,000 private school kids forced to change schools due to VAT.

If there is no compassion for kids like mine, why the fuck should I show compassion for other people’s kids.

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strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 14:09

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 14:05

Means testing state pension wouldn't affect those living on the breadline. The threshold needs to be set at something like average workers' income, so around £39k as a minimum, or the £50k higher rate threshold, or the £100k threshold where workers lose free childcare, etc. Those living only on state pension or pension credit would be nowhere near the threshold for means testing.

Yeah, until fiscal drag brings it down...

Replacing the triple lock with sensible and genuine inflation linking (without the triple lock ratchet) would be OK. The young should be very, very wary of anything more than that.

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 14:09

Tryagain26 · Yesterday 14:07

Where do you suggest cutting from?
There are no huge efficiency savings to be made.
Welfare Benefits are not as huge as you imagine.
The bulk of the welfare bill goes on Pensioner Benefits: £177.7 billion (around 55% of the total budget), which includes £146.1 billion specifically for the State Pension.. No Government is going to cut those. Which means cutting benefits for working families and disabled claimants. And those see already fairly low .
Paying an extra penny on tax isn't going to break the bank for most people

OK, 1% on income tax and 1% reduction on ALL benefits. That way everyone pays! Or are you one of those who wants to continue hammering only workers - i.e. the people we need to keep the economy moving?

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:09

Bunnyofhope · Yesterday 13:38

So if an economy is allowed to fail as per Greece a few years ago the following had to happen...

Slashed Pensions and Wages: Public sector wages and state pensions were repeatedly cut, with some pensions falling by up to 40% over the course of the crisis.
Deep Public Spending Reductions: Budgets for health care, education, and public services were drastically reduced.
Massive Tax Hikes: Sales taxes (VAT) and income taxes increased sharply, alongside the introduction of new property taxes. [1]

Structural Reforms
Labor Market Deregulation: Laws were changed to make it easier to fire workers, cut collective bargaining power, and lower the minimum wage. [1]
Privatization: The government was required to sell off state assets, including regional airports, ports (such as Piraeus), and public utilities, to raise cash.
Market Liberalization: Regulations on closed professions (like pharmacists, truck drivers, and bakers) were loosened to increase market competition. [1]
(Copied from AI, but widely available).
This is what those of us who want cuts and less borrowing are trying to avoid. We are not just big meanies.

Reading these posts you can see how it gets to this stage.

Goota · Yesterday 14:09

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:46

Yes (adult stepchild), yes and yes. It doesn't mean I'm in favour of a 'jobs for the English only' philosophy.

Do you not think maybe just maybe immigration should be limited to sectors where there's a UK skills deficit (so our own can get jobs) and that we should select from cultures closer to us.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:08

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 14:05

Aye sure pal 🤣

Yeh sure pal, pointless Labour laughing emoji

Tryagain26 · Yesterday 14:07

Where do you suggest cutting from?
There are no huge efficiency savings to be made.
Welfare Benefits are not as huge as you imagine.
The bulk of the welfare bill goes on Pensioner Benefits: £177.7 billion (around 55% of the total budget), which includes £146.1 billion specifically for the State Pension.. No Government is going to cut those. Which means cutting benefits for working families and disabled claimants. And those see already fairly low .
Paying an extra penny on tax isn't going to break the bank for most people

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 14:07

Jaxhog · Yesterday 14:02

How about less children?

That’s the aim.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 14:05

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:00

They’ve made the fuck all issue even more pronounced, now they’re in power.

Aye sure pal 🤣

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 14:05

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:48

House of Lords, yes obviously.

There are many pensioners on the breadline (I get so sick of this assumption that most/all pensioners are wealthy) and many civil servants earning barely above min wage.

Means testing state pension wouldn't affect those living on the breadline. The threshold needs to be set at something like average workers' income, so around £39k as a minimum, or the £50k higher rate threshold, or the £100k threshold where workers lose free childcare, etc. Those living only on state pension or pension credit would be nowhere near the threshold for means testing.

Jaxhog · Yesterday 14:02

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:48

So you would prefer more children living in poverty?

How about less children?

daisyfallout · Yesterday 14:02

nearlylovemyusername · Yesterday 13:28

Wow! I didn't dig that deep, but that's impressive!

so it's over 3k per month for 2 adults and 2 kids after

  • housing
  • childcare
  • utilities

So basically for food, cloths, transport and entertainment????

Do we have any families not in poverty according to this definition? that's insane

Not all utilities, just water rates. Gas, electricity, internet and the TV licence are not included.

To be clear, I’m not suggesting it's a huge amount of money or that it buys anything resembling a luxurious lifestyle. But I genuinely struggle to call it poverty. I think applying that label to this level of disposable income risks making a mockery of what poverty means for genuinely poor people in much of the rest of the world.

Summerlovingtheraspberries · Yesterday 14:01

I’m with you op.
We are at a stage where people who don’t work and therefore contribute nothing are often better off than those who do work.
I agree on raising taxes for millionaires and multi million corporations. I also think it’s time to nationalise all the water companies. Then start on nationalising transport.
As for cuts. Let’s start with housing. Nobody should be living in a house a with 3 bedrooms or more without paying for it.

Stop allowing people to live rent free whilst those working are being crippled with rent costs.
If you have yet another child, you do not get a bigger house. You make do. If that means living in a 2 bedroomed house with your multiple children then so be it.
Many, many working people have to live in houses with multiple occupancy.
Stop giving preferential treatment to those who do not work.
Next, make fathers pay for their children. Make them pay for every child they have with all the women they keep getting pregnant. If they then can’t afford to have a child with yet another different woman, then good. The tax payer should not be paying for this.
I’m all for other cuts too. Removal mental health as an illness which you receive benefits for. Remove payment for having a child with ADHD.
Make every household pay council tax. This will make those who don’t pay more inclined to take a bit more pride in their local environment.
Reduce all the free stuff those who don’t work get. Many pensioners on pension credit are better off than those who have saved and put money into a private pension.
Abolish the winter fuel allowance.
Charge for doctors appointments, not a lot but charge. Then reduce NI contributions so those who work are hardly any worse off. I’d be quite happy to pay to see the doctor. I might actually be able to get an appointment if all the freeloading time wasters were removed.
Stop giving so many people free prescriptions. There is a lot of abuse of the system.
Stop classing being an alcoholic as an illness you get paid for.
Make people attend classes to better themselves a condition of receiving free money. Eg your child has ADHD, let’s look at how better to manage their behaviour. If you don’t attend you loose your benefits. Then you are expected to take onboard the suggestions made. If you don’t that’s fine, you will no longer receive tax payers money to fund your lifestyle.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 14:01

Marchitectmummy · Yesterday 13:45

I think there is a bigger issue that you aren't understanding what this person is discussing. You can not be part of a Parish council and be governed only by the Parish it isn't possible. And if you are not part of a Parish what the person is describing does not apply to where you live.

So all due respect the problem isn't them not thinking about different circumstances across the UK it is you not understanding how governance works in the UK.

I’m in the UK. We have ONE layer of LG. One. Not three.

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 14:00

JLou08 · Yesterday 11:07

Take a billion each from the multi billionaires, they don't need it, it's just tucked away earning them ££££s in extra wealth that they don't need. How many people could be living comfortably just from taking a few billion in assets from the super rich? The Government would have the money to really invest in services that will change people's lives and get them healthy and working, increasing income generated from taxes and reducing the welfare bill and health and social care. No one needs even 1 billion, never mind upwards of 20. It's crazy how they have the middle class fighting to protect their wealth for them.

Debt is trillions, not billions. Taking a billion from each billionaire won't solve anything. There are only 157 billionaires in the UK. So, great, we get £157 billion from them. That just about pays the interest on the trillions of debt for around 18 months. The benefits are trivial compared to the damage it would do, i.e. the billionaires would bugger off abroad to avoid a second bite of the cherry a couple of years later (then again and again). It's not sustainable. We need to make changes that will happen EVERY year, not as a one off. That means tax rises, benefit cuts, public spending efficiency improvements, etc.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 14:00

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:59

They inherited the fuck all left. The Tories even sold off water and Royal Mail. We are a nation with zero assets.

They’ve made the fuck all issue even more pronounced, now they’re in power.

strawberrybubblegum · Yesterday 13:59

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:50

OK, so we're to assume your philosophy is 'Jobs for the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish only'? Thanks for clarifying,

In preference to giving someone a visa to do the job, whilst paying for the UK resident to be on benefits: yes, obviously!!

Or even when the UK resident ends up doing a less qualified job, when they could do the more qualified one. Eg. it's a disgrace that trusts were offering posts to foreign doctors, leaving newly qualified UK medical students without a training position.

This really isn't in any way strange or contentious! Confused.

Most countries expect a job to be offered to existing residents first. A work visa is only approved when the company can show that they've tried and failed to recruit within the country / within the EU.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:59

ruethewhirl · Yesterday 13:55

So you're advocating that those not from those countries be denied employment, then? What do you expect them to live on, if so?

Go back to the post with the link, you’ve missed what it’s for. It’s about skilled visas for people in vape shops. If there’s no visa they won’t be here to not work.

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:59

EasternStandard · Yesterday 13:40

We have fuck all left due to Labour, currently in power.

They inherited the fuck all left. The Tories even sold off water and Royal Mail. We are a nation with zero assets.

daisyfallout · Yesterday 13:57

Differentforgirls · Yesterday 13:48

So you would prefer more children living in poverty?

Yes, yes, I absolutely would (evil laughter).