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AIBU to want spending cuts rather than more tax rises?

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PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 10:07

The foundations are being laid for more tax rises in the October Budget.

https://www.ft.com/content/6d43b599-3d7c-471c-88c2-0f056475a840?syn-25a6b1a6=1

AIBU to ask for savings in spending to help balance the budget rather than more taxes.

With welfare spending at nearly £1bn each day, when is enough, enough?

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Badbadbunny · 05/09/2026 11:39

Marellain · 05/09/2026 10:53

100% the two child benefit cap should be reinstated. I’m not a fan of shafting elderly people who’ve paid tax all their lives, but I reckon we should shape society going forward and the professional scroungers could be deterred early on.

Asking OAPs to pay the same total taxes as working people isn't "shafting" them. NIC needs to be extended to all income, or scrapped completely and income tax raised instead. It's insane that a worker pays more taxes than an OAP on the same income. I'd probably go further and scrap student loan repayments too and increase income tax commensurate. We need to start encouraging and rewarding people for working - at the moment it's workers who are "shafted" not OAPs!

LuckyHazelFox · 05/09/2026 11:38

Badbadbunny · 05/09/2026 11:33

We don't need spending cuts nor tax rises. We desperately need radical reform of public services to get rid of the sheer incompetence, inefficiency, waste, etc. Unfortunately, whenever they're "reformed" in any way, it usually just means even more cost, even more bureaucracy, even more waste and inefficiency.

Yep, nonsense job titles cost money. Inefficient management by shouting but Tory cut our funds can only wash for so long.

Badbadbunny · 05/09/2026 11:35

LakieLady · 05/09/2026 11:22

Building more social housing would help a lot too. Instead of paying £1300 a month for a 2-bed flat in my area, struggling families would be able to get a council place for less than half that, saving a big chunk of UC.

My SDIL would be off UC entirely if she had a council place.

Nail on the head. Let's stop fleecing younger workers with stupidly high rents and housing costs, that are just lining the pockets of (usually) older landlords etc. We could do with a massive increase in council/social housing, not just for benefit claimants, but for workers too. Landlords etc have had it too good for too long, especially the multiple landlords with dozens/hundreds of properties, not so much those with only 1 or 2.

Bushmillsbabe · 05/09/2026 11:35

Barney16 · 05/09/2026 11:14

Tricky because lots of cuts have already been made. There's a tipping point beyond which more cuts mean systems don't actually work. Conversely less money in people's pockets means less spending which impacts the economy. I'm quite old and looking back I was actually better off earlier in my career. Which seems insane.

I'm mid 40's, and I feel the same re being worse off despite earning more. DH and I are middle earners (total household income around 90k) and we used to have a couple hundred left over each month after paying all our bills, to run 2 x 10 year old cars, ours girls swim lessons etc, to save for a holiday, unexpected costs etc. This is first summer we haven't had at least a UK holiday, we just couldn't afford it as everything which comes in goes out on higher mortgage costs, higher bills, higher food prices etc. At start of this parliament our mortgage was £1400 a month, just remortgaged at end of fixed term, with a lower amount as paid a chunk off, and it will be £1800 a month. We definitely aren't on the breadline, but we aren't in a comfortable position either, like we used to be. If our boiler goes, or a car needs repairs, we will struggle.

Badbadbunny · 05/09/2026 11:33

We don't need spending cuts nor tax rises. We desperately need radical reform of public services to get rid of the sheer incompetence, inefficiency, waste, etc. Unfortunately, whenever they're "reformed" in any way, it usually just means even more cost, even more bureaucracy, even more waste and inefficiency.

InveterateWineDrinker · 05/09/2026 11:28

Actually, a good place to start would be a massive education campaign to explain to the Great British Public that this is not a rich country. It is an extremely poor one by G7 standards that has a few rich people, and what most people regard as an entitlement in respect of their standard of living is something they simply cannot afford with the value they create.

For too long the UK has lived waaaay beyond its means by virtue of the kindness of strangers. All that's happening is that this state of affairs is now unravelling, as those strangers are beginning to get concerned the money they loaned us might not get paid back with the way things are heading.

LakieLady · 05/09/2026 11:28

Owninterpreter · 05/09/2026 10:50

How would this interact with minimum wage. Large part of the public sector is wages. If you cut them by 25% there will be a lot of people dropping below minimum wage for essential jobs?

And that will make it harder to find people to do those essential jobs, although I suppose we could always increase immigration to fill the vacancies.

LuckyHazelFox · 05/09/2026 11:27

timonandpumba · 05/09/2026 11:26

Good to note that you haven’t responded to any of my points and have instead painted everyone with the same brush.

Ignorance is bliss as they say

To be fair, all your points aren't really in alignment with the 2026 landscape. We can afford to be as Liberal as we once were.

User134098 · 05/09/2026 11:27

PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 11:18

It’s the exact opposite there is so much waste. Money spent on those who don’t need it. Money spent hugely inefficiently (NHS, HS2, MOD). A bunch of nonsense non value adding jobs in the CS (just look at .gov jobs).

That’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Which CS jobs do you think are nonsense non value adding?

LuckyHazelFox · 05/09/2026 11:26

There could be a monumental difference in stripping the foreign aid budget. Let's stop being held to the past. How many of the intended recipients actually benefit from the money?

timonandpumba · 05/09/2026 11:26

PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 11:04

Yes I want to keep more of my money, I pay too much tax, and watch it being spent on the lazy work shy.

Good to note that you haven’t responded to any of my points and have instead painted everyone with the same brush.

Ignorance is bliss as they say

Tel12 · 05/09/2026 11:25

If we want to live in a civilised society with good schools and public services then we need to pay. Start by taxing the rich.

LakieLady · 05/09/2026 11:22

Ginmonkeyagain · 05/09/2026 10:57

The biggest thing that would reduce the welfare bill and make work pay would be a massive fall in house prices.

So people who want to cut welfare should either support a massive house building programme or other policy measures to reduce the price of housing.

Building more social housing would help a lot too. Instead of paying £1300 a month for a 2-bed flat in my area, struggling families would be able to get a council place for less than half that, saving a big chunk of UC.

My SDIL would be off UC entirely if she had a council place.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 11:21

Itsuuu · 05/09/2026 11:18

I’m fine with tax rises . It’s long overdue.We need better services and for governments to think of the good of the country and not themselves.

Which tax bracket are you offering up?

And how much more do you want to pay?

PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 11:18

NancyThompson · 05/09/2026 11:05

But where will the rises come from? It's blood out of a stone at this point.

It’s the exact opposite there is so much waste. Money spent on those who don’t need it. Money spent hugely inefficiently (NHS, HS2, MOD). A bunch of nonsense non value adding jobs in the CS (just look at .gov jobs).

That’s just the tip of the iceberg.

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Itsuuu · 05/09/2026 11:18

I’m fine with tax rises . It’s long overdue.We need better services and for governments to think of the good of the country and not themselves.

MellowSubmarine · 05/09/2026 11:18

You can’t just say things like “25% cut to civil service”.

You might as well say “get more money” if you’re going to be that vague about it.

Chickenlittlelaidanegg · 05/09/2026 11:17

PinkFruitbat · 05/09/2026 11:04

Yes I want to keep more of my money, I pay too much tax, and watch it being spent on the lazy work shy.

I could not agree more !

Melarus · 05/09/2026 11:15

I'm fine with tax rises. I want services to be better supported - including welfare

Barney16 · 05/09/2026 11:14

Tricky because lots of cuts have already been made. There's a tipping point beyond which more cuts mean systems don't actually work. Conversely less money in people's pockets means less spending which impacts the economy. I'm quite old and looking back I was actually better off earlier in my career. Which seems insane.

strawberrybubblegum · 05/09/2026 11:12

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 05/09/2026 11:10

Yes, but that doesn't help the local hairdresser stay in employment, or the corner shop stay open, those people end up unemployed and on the 25% less benefits with next to no chance of finding a new job, need to be housed by the council and develop depression and high blood pressure etc.

Too little of the money spent on welfare actually benefits the economy. Most of it is consumption.

That consumption needs to come down, and people given the incentive to work - which is what actually creates value.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2026 11:11

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 05/09/2026 11:08

Well i would for starters. UBI would be set at a pretty low rate, yes it would put a roof over your head and food on the table but I like a bit of luxury in life, a nicer area to live, nice holidays etc etc. I'd work to have extra income to afford things like that.

Where wouod the money come from for the UBI?

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 05/09/2026 11:11

strawberrybubblegum · 05/09/2026 11:10

And yet in the late 1990s and early 2000s, government spending was 33% of GDP - which is 25% lower than the 44% of GDP the government currently spends.

And none of those dire predictions were happening...

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What's changed then?

Presumably some of that is down to an aging population, and the costs of that, which are huge.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 05/09/2026 11:10

strawberrybubblegum · 05/09/2026 10:59

It's a common misunderstanding that spending money is better for the economy than saving it.

There does need to be enough money flowing around that people can build value - but it is value creation which drives the economy, not value consumption.

Or to put it more simply, £100 saved/ invested and used by a company to build machines which will improve their production by 10% year-on-year (and then spent later) is far better for the economy that that £100 spent on clothes bought from Shein and getting nails done.

Yes, but that doesn't help the local hairdresser stay in employment, or the corner shop stay open, those people end up unemployed and on the 25% less benefits with next to no chance of finding a new job, need to be housed by the council and develop depression and high blood pressure etc.

strawberrybubblegum · 05/09/2026 11:10

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 05/09/2026 11:03

I've done a quick Google on this. The added costs to health, social care the justice system, reduction in VAT access other taxes, job losses due to reduced spending in the economy would wipe out about half the savings of a 25% cut in welfare.

If the cuts were maintained it's likely all savings would be wiped out over a couple of decades, due to poorer outcomes for the children growing up under the policy (poorer education, poorer health outcomes), lack of job availability etc.

So short term financial savings would likely be incredibly damaging long term to both the economy and individuals.

And let's be honest, in both the short term and long term, vulnerable people would die if this was implemented, and advocating for a blanket 25% cut means this would be considered an acceptable cost to gain the short term savings.

And yet in the late 1990s and early 2000s, government spending was 33% of GDP - which is 25% lower than the 44% of GDP the government currently spends.

And none of those dire predictions were happening...