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To think in life being a nice, good person rarely counts for much?

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Autumncalm · 04/09/2026 14:07

I’ve noticed in life that being nice, helpful, honest, reliable, trustworthy rarely count for much.

For example when I was at school (and I still see the same thing happening now at my children’s school), horrible bully type kids can be the most popular and rarely get any kind of consequences for being nasty. It seems as though no one wants to get on the wrong side of the bullies.

My children play in football teams and one of the coaches always goes on about turning up to training, being a good team player, listening, trying your best. But the truth is they only want the best players. There are players that rarely turn up to training, are nasty to other kids, but because they are naturally talented players they still get to play a full game every week, get man of the match and so on

I see it happen at work. One of my colleagues got really badly bullied by another colleague she even had email proof and it went to HR but nothing happened to the bully colleague because she is admittedly good at her job and has experiences that others don’t.

It’s not always like that, one of my children never got picked for anything at primary school even though he tried his best, behaved etc but once he got to secondary his good nature paid off and they started actually rewarding effort and good behaviour but I do believe that often in life that the values we are told to have don’t really get you anywhere.

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Ilmiocompleanno · 04/09/2026 14:16

This is a tricky one because so much depends on context. Being a good and nice person with some people will mean that they really appreciate the friendship and will be good and nice back. Being good and nice with others will simply mean that they use you to their own advantage with no reciprocity in the relationship. So I think it's important to try to suss out early on what kind of a person you are interacting with.

Autumncalm · 04/09/2026 14:15

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What in insightful reply.

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babyproblems · 04/09/2026 14:15

All the successful people I know are not particularly kind and they are expert manipulators.
I think harm can be done by encouraging your children to always put others first. Don’t assume everyone is teaching this lesson!!!

CoffeeCantata · 04/09/2026 14:14

It's absolutely the case.

You have to be a strong, resilient person as well as a good person if you want to prosper in life - I mean in terms of personal happiness and fulfillment.

Just being nice and self-sacrificing, or self-effacing, will not bring happiness. I think I'm a good person (I treat other people well, I'm a good, loyal friend and I try to help people when I can) but I'm not a pushover and will stick up for myself. I will also judge other people (to myself - I don't mean I badmouth them!) and to me, this is just having boundaries.

So make sure you stick up for yourself, don't let nasty people take advantage, put yourself first when it's important to do so and teach your children these things.

Being strong and having a strong self-image and self-respect leads to a happier life than just being nice.

Justanopinionnothingmore · 04/09/2026 14:14

I've only ever been abused for my kind nature so now found it's easier to be a bitter bitch with strong boundaries. Even friends I've had for years took advantage. People can be so shitty, unfortunately.

Compactwallet · 04/09/2026 14:13

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Sartre · 04/09/2026 14:12

In a couple of your examples you mention the bully being talented at what they do so the company/football coach still want them around. I think it’s pretty obvious how and why this would happen. They wouldn’t get away with being so nasty away from that remit, it’s because they’re particularly exceptional and no one wants to lose their skills.

the80sweregreat · 04/09/2026 14:09

I often think this too op. I’m sure people will come along and say no, but it’s been my experience too.