School want to trial a part time timetable after just 2 weeks at the school - WWYD?

Are you suggesting that the OP give her DS exactly what he wants in case he is violent?
You clearly don't know anything about behaviour.

There are some exceptions to the timescales. The exceptions are where it is impractical for the LA to comply with the timescales because:
a) the LA requested advice from the school during a period beginning one week before a date the school closes for 4+ weeks and ending one week before it re-opens and it isn't practicable for the LA to comply within 6 weeks.
b) like above but about early years.
c) exceptional personal circumstances affect you or DC during that time period.
d) you or DC are absent from the LA for 4+ weeks during the time.

Even if one of the exceptions applies, it isn’t a green light to do as they wish. They must comply as soon as practicable.

There’s not enough information in your post to say for certain if an exception applies or not. I thought your original post made it sound like you thought the school had requested a EHCNA earlier in the year but that might not be the case from your second post. What week are you on/when was the EHCNA requested? Did the LA comply with the 6 week timescale for informing you they were going to assess? Has the LA requested advice and information from the school yet, and if they have, when did they do that? Have you been on holiday for 4+ weeks? Were there exceptional circumstances that affected you/DC?

Have you requested all the necessary advice and information e.g. SALT, OT, CP? Is the existing EP report up to date and sufficient for EHCP purposes?

Work sent home doesn’t relieve the LA of their duty to provide s19 provision. You can request alternative provision.

School have applied as I’ve been part of the whole process. Just before the summer holidays the LA wrote to me to confirm they agree to assess him for one. He’s already had an ed psych assessment earlier in the year so he’s already crossed some of the hurdles

last year school sent home the work that he would have been doing in the afternoon and he completed the work at home with me (two of the days was just PE and the other three days were either topic or art)

they are out of the timescale but that’s due to the summer holidays, does that count?

Thank you for your reply. School have applied as I’ve been part of the whole process. Just before the summer holidays the LA wrote to me to confirm they agree to assess him for one. He’s already had an ed psych assessment earlier in the year so he’s already crossed some of the hurdles

You have said he won't take his meds sometimes - you are his parent. You need to ensure he does take his meds and you need to be honest with school that you are not ensuring he has his meds when he comes in.

You obviously have your own experience to draw on but I know many boys who did not respond well to boundaries like this. They are all grown up now. Some are/ were in prison, despite their parents' efforts. Some badly hurt their parents.

I think it is very dangerous for strangers to suggest that people take steps, completely unsupported and unsupervised, which could actually cause them real harm.

Anyway it sounds to me like there is a lot more than adhd going on here.

go for a Sen school op, you will find he becomes a different kid

This. Ask for for a review. I totally feel for you as I used to have to make these difficult decisions for children who were struggling so much in mainstream. Sometimes the only way they could cope was to do half days in mainstream then transfer to specialist in the afternoon. But provision is so patchy.
Basically you have to keep on at the school and the LA to fight for specialist provision. Be honest about the impact it is having at home on you too.
Wish you all the best x

Absolutely agree.
I’m usually nursery based but a couple of years ago I scooted across to year 1 in the afternoons to support a child out of class.

😂

And why do so many LSA's make the assumption all send children are like that?

Unfortunately, not all schools are supportive of SEN and not all have a proper understanding of SEN law (or choose to disregard it). It isn’t mandatory to have the NPQSENCO prior to beginning the role as a SENCO, so, no, not all hold a formal qualification. While many schools make lawful decisions in the best interests of pupils, not all do, which is why unlawful informal exclusions is not a rare problem.

I imagine he’s refusing to, what with all the swearing and walking out of class.

So many people making alternative suggestions. School teachers and SENCO’s have experience. SENCO is a formal qualification with knowledge and experience. The suggestion to do mornings only will be made after considering all options and deciding what’s best for the child and what is realistic.

Instead of coming home is there somewhere quiet he could work in school in the afternoons with his 1:1 ?

I agree.

We may tag team for certain children to ensure that no staff member is trying to deal with it alone but we wouldn’t exclude or reduce timetable based on that.

we spend a lot of time juggling things to meet the needs of everyone but the decisions made are always what is best for the child, or what we hope is for the best for them!

Ask school to find an appropriate alternative provision (AP) for the afternoon.
You can then call for an early EHCP review and request that the option for AP is written in.
I have worked with students who have flourished with this type of combined approach to education.

I’ve never known the decision to be based on staff wellbeing!! It’s always been based on the needs of the child. Certainly at the school I work at.

An alternative, if this hasn't been suggested already, is for him to do afternoons and as he is successful bring his start time forward. This works brilliantly for many children as it means they are successful and not getting home early if they misbehave

It’s difficult to know what might be going on behind the scenes. It might be that they have teachers suffering with long term workplace stress and that having such a high needs child is having a negative impact on staff wellbeing. Perhaps they are focusing on staff retention. Attempting to teach a child with these challenges while providing adequate education for 30+ others is not a sustainable workplace condition.

Learning support assistants are underpaid, overworked human beings who have feelings, and typically do not enjoy being harassed, insulted and sworn at for hours on end. It's absolutely right that someone who is being hostile, rude and aggressive to other people should understand that other people don't like that.

Well, it’s unlikely to be a massively reduced day. In my DC’s school there are four lessons in the morning (two before break and two after break) and only one lesson after lunch. Hopefully OP will clarify but it could be that this child would actually be in school 80% of the time.

It sounds like a sensible way to transition him to mainstream education. If it doesn’t work then they may be setting the path for saying they can’t meet need. If specialist provision if what you are aiming for then this is a good step in the right direction.

Do you think he is a suitable candidate for mainstream or do you think that he would be better placed in a specialist school where they will most probably be able to meet his needs much better? What's the long term goal here?

If you think your child would thrive in a specialist provision, then taking the reduced time table etc is all really good evidence that your child struggles with a mainstream setting and will be helpful in obtaining a place in a specialist school.. The school are obviously struggling to meet his needs if they're already requesting he go on a reduced time table. I work in a school and really, it's our last resort to try and keep a child in school. I would work with the school as much as possible personally, but that is your choice as his parent, to do what you think is in his best interest. Whatever you decide, I hope it all works out well for your child, good luck

1- Punish behaviour at school at home, consistently, fairly, indefinitely. Behaviour will improve by end of year. SEND or not.

2- Agree and follow what the school say. They are the experts. Furthermore, your questioning of them models the idea that he can question and challenge them. He will develop good learning behaviours if you model and promote them.

3- Take the hard choices now, they will result in an easier life down the road.

Good luck.