AIBU to share this Reform exposé from C4?

Traitors?! I’ll tell you who the f-ing traitors are - the sneering, bullying, globalist left. They have used mass immigration as a tool to destroy our national identity. Thanks to them, I no longer live in a country with a shared history or shared culture.

Goodness me, @Dappy777 , what a diatribe!

British "shared culture" has never been solely British. Shaw, Wilde and Joyce were all of Irish heritage, as was Poet Laureate Cecil Day-Lewis. Benjamin Zephaniah won a whole host of awards, and was of Jamaican heritage. The great British composer, Samuel Taylor-Coleridge, had one parent from Sierra Leone. The impact of those of Afro-Caribbean heritage on UK music has been immense.

The man who many regard as one of the greatest leaders Britain has ever had was half-American, should we disown him?

UK culture has never been a monoculture; the Welsh, Scots and Irish have all made massive contributions. Our early history includes being conquered by invaders from what are now Italy, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and France. The English language reflects this, pick up a dictionary and look up the etymology of a few "English" words.

Have a read of this eighteenth century "English" poem: Defoe poem https://www.laphamsquarterly.org/foreigners/mongrel-half-bred-race and you'll see that this was recognised three centuries ago.

@TemperanceWest "Because you kept asking questions that you'd know the answer to if you had."

Err not necessarily.
People who have (apparently) seen the programme keep telling me that the 'police are investigating' but there is nothing in the press, nor any statement for any relevant body.

Well, if you have watched the report then you can't have understood it because a lot of the questions you have asked were answered in it.

Or you are sealioning to try to distract attention from the report.

I guess it could be both.

Or maybe you just want to keep the thread in Active to draw as much attention to it as possible.

We need a government that will sort out immigration and working age benefits once and for all. I would prefer that Labour did it, but they won't. Maybe a lot of us are just going to have to hold our noses and vote reform.

That wasn't my point. But keep going!

So where does it say that the police are 'investigating'?

Because you kept asking questions that you'd know the answer to if you had.

Never mind, you are doing a great job keeping the thread active. The more people who are aware of the report and what is going on the better 😊

JLP now also under pressure from regulatory bodies. You might want this all to be nothing but it isn't. JLP will need to spill the beans now:

"British Polling Council Rule 2.1 states that all data and research findings made on the basis of social or political polls conducted in the United Kingdom by member organisations that enter the public domain, must include reference to the client commissioning the survey.

With respect to the Channel 4 News investigation of polling apparently commissioned by Reform and conducted by JL Partners, it is clear there have been breaches of British Polling Council Rule 2.1. According to the programme, this may have been deliberate. We are seeking further information from the BPC member concerned and expect them to make information available after further consideration.

The Market Research Society has a wider remit than the British Polling Council and we note that the matter is being referred to the Market Research Standards Board. We will await the outcome of that enquiry"

How do you know I haven't ?

So why haven't you watched the report?

Indeed.

It's very strange indeed

You're amazed - that's nice for you !

I'm amazed that people are so interested in Reform that they would spend hours defending them on MN.

And yet won't spend any time actually watching the report.

I guess the interesting question to explore would be the extent to which Reform had input into the wording of the questions asked. Because we all know that the phrasing of the questions can influence the answers.

"Any investigation would have to consider whether or not this payment was actually a donation in kind. Reform claims not, even though it's clear from the documentary that they knew it was."
That depends of course how "clear" it was that they knew this.

"The intention to commit a crime was clearly there, but the crime was not actually committed on this occasion. "
You can't prosecute someone for intending to commit a crime.

" The police are already investigating these donations " Not as far as I am aware, so info please.

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Feel free to report the other parties to the police if you're aware of any illegal activities. If it's clear that there is enough evidence to warrant an investigation, then this will happen.

If you're just saying that they're all as bad as each other to try to deflect attention away from the exposure of Reform, then I'm sorry, but nobody is buying it.

Yes, rightly or wrongly, all political parties/politicians have donors etc. Legal donors.

To be fair there is no suggestion that the poll was biased.

For balance they should look into the dealings of the other main parties .
I doubt they would need to dig down too far to find some nice juicy corruption.
You do realise that they all have their snouts in the trough, do you not?

The polling was paid for - just over £30k paid directly to the polling company. The survey was clearly commissioned by Reform and they very clearly acknowledged that it could be viewed as a donation in kind, which would have to be declared. They also made it clear that they didn't think anyone would find out if they failed to declare it, so there was a clear intention to bypass the rules. Any investigation would have to consider whether or not this payment was actually a donation in kind. Reform claims not, even though it's clear from the documentary that they knew it was.

The second, much larger donation was only hypothetical. They discussed how a non-UK citizen could donate half a million pounds to Reform, despite being an impermissible donor, by pretending that the money had come from his son. The intention to commit a crime was clearly there, but the crime was not actually committed on this occasion. However, there are obvious parallels here with the George Cottrell case, in which Cottrell (an impermissible donor) transferred some very large sums of money to his mother very shortly before she made some very large donations to Reform UK. The police are already investigating these donations so it's possible that the Channel 4 evidence will get rolled into that investigation, which may need to be broadened in scope.

You clearly haven't watched the video! This is a fairly good summary of everything from a non-lefty source:

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5df2844d4bb6251b

That's a very serious allegation. Are you sure about that?

Through a foreign donor