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AIBU to share this Reform exposé from C4?

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Firetreev · 03/09/2026 21:51

To share this fantastic documentary exposing Reform for the crooks and traitors that they really are. Thank you for sharing @ihateboris

I'd recommend watching it to the end.

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TemperanceWest · 06/09/2026 16:08

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 16:03

You are too posh to shop in the local Premier shop obviously.

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The Co-Op is my go to convenience store. Better wine selection. They do nice steaks too.

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 16:03

TemperanceWest · 06/09/2026 16:00

Typo. Should have been youths.

I shop in Sainsburys. I am very lower class, obviously.🤣

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You are too posh to shop in the local Premier shop obviously.

TemperanceWest · 06/09/2026 16:00

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:51

Only one youth? I shop in Waitrose.

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Typo. Should have been youths.

I shop in Sainsburys. I am very lower class, obviously.🤣

Efacsen · 06/09/2026 15:55

@Clavinova I think you might quite like the guys from the HMO across the road from me - they don't smoke out in the street, aren't noisy or disruptive, don't let their personal lives spill into the street - they all go out together at about 9.30am and as far as I can see aren't 'scruffy' [blend in with many students around here]

They do leave windows open for days on end - such that if it rains their curtains get wet and flap around which is a bit eccentric

In fact we see or hear very little of them

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:51

TemperanceWest · 06/09/2026 15:45

Why? The other day I walked past some youth smoking weed outside the local Premier shop. I wasn't intimidated, they had no interest in me, they were doing their thing, I was doing mine.

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Only one youth? I shop in Waitrose.

TemperanceWest · 06/09/2026 15:45

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:41

As they do outside every pub in the land

Not in the daytime near me they don't.

Not sure why you find that suspicious or threatening really

Scruffy more than suspicious, although I would find it intimidating walking past.

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Why? The other day I walked past some youth smoking weed outside the local Premier shop. I wasn't intimidated, they had no interest in me, they were doing their thing, I was doing mine.

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:41

cardibach · 06/09/2026 15:25

As they do outside every pub in the land. Wouldn’t you like to live near a pub either? Also true of a lot of commercial hotels, office buildings and even hospitals. You can’t smoke inside them because they are someone’s workplace, therefore people go outside to smoke. Not sure why you find that suspicious or threatening really.

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As they do outside every pub in the land

Not in the daytime near me they don't.

Not sure why you find that suspicious or threatening really

Scruffy more than suspicious, although I would find it intimidating walking past.

cardibach · 06/09/2026 15:25

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:23

How do you know if you've never done it?

My dh sometimes has to walk past an asylum hotel in London. He says multiple men hang around outside smoking.

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As they do outside every pub in the land. Wouldn’t you like to live near a pub either? Also true of a lot of commercial hotels, office buildings and even hospitals. You can’t smoke inside them because they are someone’s workplace, therefore people go outside to smoke. Not sure why you find that suspicious or threatening really.

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:23

cardibach · 06/09/2026 15:17

How do you know if you've never done it?
In fairness, the one near me isn’t that easy for people to walk about from, but there’s no trouble there or from the residents. Neither has there been from any refugees I’ve taught or volunteered with.

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How do you know if you've never done it?

My dh sometimes has to walk past an asylum hotel in London. He says multiple men hang around outside smoking.

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:18

placemats · 06/09/2026 15:14

I live close to an Approved Premises, formally known as a bail hostel. So it's basically an HMO and they get food delivered three times a week. There's a kitchen and staff to make meals.

The majority of the men living there are white. Would you be happy with that?

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Would you be happy with that?

No!

cardibach · 06/09/2026 15:17

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 14:16

I live near a hotel

I don't mind saying that I would absolutely hate living near an asylum hotel or an HMO, especially ones filled with single men.

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How do you know if you've never done it?
In fairness, the one near me isn’t that easy for people to walk about from, but there’s no trouble there or from the residents. Neither has there been from any refugees I’ve taught or volunteered with.

placemats · 06/09/2026 15:14

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 14:16

I live near a hotel

I don't mind saying that I would absolutely hate living near an asylum hotel or an HMO, especially ones filled with single men.

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I live close to an Approved Premises, formally known as a bail hostel. So it's basically an HMO and they get food delivered three times a week. There's a kitchen and staff to make meals.

The majority of the men living there are white. Would you be happy with that?

Efacsen · 06/09/2026 15:13

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:06

I would hate to live near a bail hostel as well. I confess, we paid a premium to live in a leafy, middle-class environment.

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Thankfully the bail hostel only lasted about 2 years due to all the complaints

The area is fine

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 15:06

Efacsen · 06/09/2026 14:46

There are 2 HMOs on my street - 9 or 10 young men altogether - and they are no problem at all

Unlike the guys from from the bail hostel who are troublemakers

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I would hate to live near a bail hostel as well. I confess, we paid a premium to live in a leafy, middle-class environment.

Efacsen · 06/09/2026 14:46

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 14:16

I live near a hotel

I don't mind saying that I would absolutely hate living near an asylum hotel or an HMO, especially ones filled with single men.

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There are 2 HMOs on my street - 9 or 10 young men altogether - and they are no problem at all

Unlike the guys from from the bail hostel who are troublemakers

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 14:22

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2026 14:08

So we don’t spend £4 billion housing migrants.

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Arguably 'housing' in this context is a broad term. You said only £2 billion - that figure doesn't include the use of army camps, dispersal properties/resettlement properties/continuing rent support.

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 14:16

cardibach · 05/09/2026 11:48

I definitely am. I’ve met and worked with asylum seekers. Had nothing but respect. And yes, I live near a hotel. I’ve been sworn at and threatened by the anti-immigrant reform type though.

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I live near a hotel

I don't mind saying that I would absolutely hate living near an asylum hotel or an HMO, especially ones filled with single men.

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2026 14:08

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 14:07

You said we 'spend £2 billion on housing migrants' - we spent £4.53 billion overall on asylum support, resettlement and accommodation (2024/2025). The total spent on 'housing' alone wasn't specified, only hotel accommodation.

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So we don’t spend £4 billion housing migrants.

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 14:07

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2026 13:43

So not £4 billion on housing. As I said.

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You said we 'spend £2 billion on housing migrants' - we spent £4.53 billion overall on asylum support, resettlement and accommodation (2024/2025). The total spent on 'housing' alone wasn't specified, only hotel accommodation.

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2026 13:43

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 12:29

The poster's links tell us that we spent £2.1 billion on housing asylum seekers in hotels (not including other accommodation 2024/25) - £4.53 billion overall on asylum support, resettlement and accommodation.

Around 55% of the cost is funded from the foreign aid budget, the other 45% from the Home Office budget and reserves.

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So not £4 billion on housing. As I said.

TopPocketFind · 06/09/2026 13:12

Not many young men from Egypt are seeking asylum.

Why can't we focus on both?

GaIadriel · 06/09/2026 13:06

Visiblyabove25 · 06/09/2026 10:50

I admire your empathy for people with complex mental health crises, who need better benefits and more targeted support - and I think if you’re a Reform support you are going to be very angry and disappointed by their plans to slash benefits.

You are probably also furious at Richard Tice from Reform saying married couples should have priority for council housing, as that would push this woman right down the queue.

But it’s an entirely separate to issue to how asylum seekers are housed while their applications are processed.

It’s also an entirely different issue to how anyone can be okay with a political party disrespecting our democracy by allowing foreign donors to illegally buy influence.

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I've clearly stated that I'm not a Reform supporter but understand why so many people are. This is an example IMO of somebody who is more deserving of government assistance. She was formerly a taxpayer and actually worked for a public org. Resources should be focused on people like her, not young men from Egypt.

TemperanceWest · 06/09/2026 13:03

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 12:59

Gordon Brown's rhetoric in your link was way off the mark though. He suggested to Gillian Duffy that EU migration was a balanced, two-way street - with an equal number of people coming to the UK, compared to British people going the other way 'into Europe'. He was way off - she was right - you couldn't have a sensible conversation about immigration.

The following year, the 2011 census suggested there were 3 times as many EU citizens living in the UK compared to British citizens living in the EU (excluding Ireland and pre-Romania/Bulgaria free movement).

We now have over 4 million EU citizens living in the UK. Over 6 million people applied to the EU Settlement Scheme.

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OK. Thanks for the info 👍

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 12:59

TemperanceWest · 05/09/2026 18:54

Gillian Duffy. This was back in the days when Eastern Europeans were being scapegoated and demonised.

www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/full-conversation-between-gordon-brown-and-gillian-duffy-6464046.html

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Gordon Brown's rhetoric in your link was way off the mark though. He suggested to Gillian Duffy that EU migration was a balanced, two-way street - with an equal number of people coming to the UK, compared to British people going the other way 'into Europe'. He was way off - she was right - you couldn't have a sensible conversation about immigration.

The following year, the 2011 census suggested there were 3 times as many EU citizens living in the UK compared to British citizens living in the EU (excluding Ireland and pre-Romania/Bulgaria free movement).

We now have over 4 million EU citizens living in the UK. Over 6 million people applied to the EU Settlement Scheme.

TopPocketFind · 06/09/2026 12:44

Birmingham Council is spending £2.6m on removing flags from lamppost.

Raise the Colours leader, Ryan Bridge who is on bail was invited by Reform to attend the conference

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