AIBU to share this Reform exposé from C4?

Not having read the whole thread- have the police confirmed they are investigating?
Because it strikes me that if they want to there would need to be some urgency seeing as it's the actual leader that's in question and it wouldn't make sense to await the conclusion by that leader. Given the concerns about Farage Don't they need to freeze assets or something so the evidence is preserved?

Interesting that you say you are waiting for the investigation to conclude and yet you said that C4 has done the party a favour by shining a light on "rotten apples" and you commented approvingly that Reform will now be able to move forward because it has now removed "these characters".

Strange comments from someone who is apparently suspending all judgement until the investigation has been concluded.

But of course, it is important that due process is followed and I look forward to the outcome of the criminal investigation.

I've already said that I'm waiting for an investigation to conclude.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what any of us think it's about following due process.

Honestly, @Florenceeiderduck , ditch Farage.

There are a lot of sincere people in Reform, who genuinely want to make the country better – even if they don't have magic wands any more than anyone else.

But Nigel Farage brings you down.

He's surrounded by these dishonest characters – many of whom have no commitment to the UK at all. Cottrell lives in Montenegro, Harborne lives in Thailand. Even Richard Tice lives half the time in Dubai where his fiancée and her children have moved full-time.

Farage can't seem to shake off his old pals – even when they're jailed for fraud like Cottrell.

Reform will get nothing done while it's All About Nigel.

The Times have seriously fallen out of love with Farage in the last few months, haven't they?

And then, Reform using them as schmucks to unwittingly publicise Reform's poll, without Reform declaring an interest, has probably done nothing to endear Reform to The Times.

The Channel 4 shone a light on one more rotten apple that hasn't yet been removed. Having watched the programme and seen that Farage was very clearly aware of the dodgy donations and fully complicit in the illegal scheme being proposed for the larger donation, I presume you think he too should be removed? When exactly is that going to happen?

Farage is still insisting that there was no wrongdoing. So he clearly doesn't agree with your assessment that the programme has helped to get rid of "rotten apples". And even if he did acknowledge this, do you not think that it would cast some doubt on his judgment that two of his very closest aides are so evidently corrupt to the core?

The truth is, we are not talking about two rotten apples here. We're talking about the entire barrel. It's ok if you're not ready to admit this yet. There is still time for the depth of Farage's corruption to be exposed.

As you rightly point out, a week is a long time in politics, and we have many weeks of investigation lying ahead. Let's see how you feel at the end of that process.

I like it as well.
I liked the whole documentary.
In trying to discredit Reform, C4 have done them a big favour,(which they haven't realised because they are obviously not very bright) by shining a light on the rotten apples in the barrel.
Reform have now removed these characters and can move forward.
It's a fair way off a General Election but enough time still for Andy B to show that he's "all mouth and no trousers".
Let's wait until Oct 28th Budget and review the political landscape then.

As Harold Wilson said "A week is a long time in politics".

From this morning’s Times.

There is probably no scandal large enough to shake the Reform faithful's adoration of their Messiah. And how can you not have a good time when you're standing at a urinal and a man appears next to you in a magnificently elaborate crusader knight uniform? How do you even do it in full chain mail? Sadly, I found I lacked the courage to look for long enough and find out.

In the end, the leader's speech was almost two hours late and was not a security risk but it was rendered a shambles by a co-ordinated, staggered, series of shouty protesters, who were dragged out one by one.

The party had seen it coming. They even had a graphic ready to flash on the on-stage screens, each time the shouting started. “Boring”, it read, 20 times over, in foot-high letters.

He'd wisely prepared a list of pre-cooked putdowns, the best one being: “You're witnessing the benefits of a university eduation. What was it love, don't tell me, sociology?”

Eventually, Farage briefly addressed the scandal of the Channel 4 film. “The party has taken no illegal money,” he said, “that's important.” So that cleared that up then, at least for anyone out there who thought that an undercover reporter, pretending to be the son of an American billionaire had actually, really, given Nigel Farage half a milion quid.

Reform still likes to think of itself as an “insurgency” but Farage is the oldest show in town. It's almost impossible to count all the other party leaders who have come and gone while Farage has been doing his thing. He has absolutely nothing new to say and who can blame him?

In a slight break with tradition, the usual volley of fireworks did not go off when he arrived on stage, but instead when he left, presumably in search of a well-earned cigarette. It was appropriate enough. Reform Conference 2026 is a smoking ruin.

From this morning’s Times.

There is probably no scandal large enough to shake the Reform faithful's adoration of their Messiah. And how can you not have a good time when you're standing at a urinal and a man appears next to you in a magnificently elaborate crusader knight uniform? How do you even do it in full chain mail? Sadly, I found I lacked the courage to look for long enough and find out.

In the end, the leader's speech was almost two hours late and was not a security risk but it was rendered a shambles by a co-ordinated, staggered, series of shouty protesters, who were dragged out one by one.

The party had seen it coming. They even had a graphic ready to flash on the on-stage screens, each time the shouting started. “Boring”, it read, 20 times over, in foot-high letters.

He'd wisely prepared a list of pre-cooked putdowns, the best one being: “You're witnessing the benefits of a university eduation. What was it love, don't tell me, sociology?”

Eventually, Farage briefly addressed the scandal of the Channel 4 film. “The party has taken no illegal money,” he said, “that's important.” So that cleared that up then, at least for anyone out there who thought that an undercover reporter, pretending to be the son of an American billionaire had actually, really, given Nigel Farage half a milion quid.

Reform still likes to think of itself as an “insurgency” but Farage is the oldest show in town. It's almost impossible to count all the other party leaders who have come and gone while Farage has been doing his thing. He has absolutely nothing new to say and who can blame him?

In a slight break with tradition, the usual volley of fireworks did not go off when he arrived on stage, but instead when he left, presumably in search of a well-earned cigarette. It was appropriate enough. Reform Conference 2026 is a smoking ruin.

Yes. He was predicting a Spring 2027 yesterday election in that fucking awful puffed up way he has.

Yes. He was predicting a Spring 2027 yesterday election in that fucking awful puffed up way he has.

As I understand it (and employment law) the two emoyees have voluntarily suspended themselves while an investigation takes place. Had they not done this, Reform would probably have suspended them. But they have chosen to make things easier, highly likely a severance deal will already have been floated which will be dependent on their cooperation.
Depending on the outcome, they will either return to work or presumably resign with a payout that includes terms where they protect Reforms reputation (such as it is.)
I'd be very surprised if anyone was trying to avoid unfair dismissal. This is a high stakes matter involving senior personnel, where payments will be used to resolve it outside of the public eye.
We're not talking about Derek from sales over claiming his expenses and Tom in HR faffing about with the disciplinary procedure to make sure he doesn't take them to tribunal, are we?

I see a poster didn't dare to quote my full post about Farage's pie-in-the-sky promises.

Anyway, like I said, nothing in Farage's long record of failing to turn up to Parliament, to the European Parliament and to his constituency suggests that he will try to deliver anything.

Except for his wealthy pals, many of whom are foreign wealthy pals.

Does he?
If he does I doubt Burman will oblige until he (Burman) has got his 'intray' sorted out.
In any event the Party in some areas isn't ready. Here we have two prospective candidates but are waiting for them to be vetted. On top of that we have Council Elections next year and are concentrating on that.
There's only so many hours in a day and most of us have other commitments.

Farage's star is fading fast. It's no wonder he wants a general election ASAP.

As I understand it (and employment law) the two emoyees have voluntarily suspended themselves while an investigation takes place. Had they not done this, Reform would probably have suspended them. But they have chosen to make things easier, highly likely a severance deal will already have been floated which will be dependent on their cooperation.
Depending on the outcome, they will either return to work or presumably resign with a payout that includes terms where they protect Reforms reputation (such as it is.)
I'd be very surprised if anyone was trying to avoid unfair dismissal. This is a high stakes matter involving senior personnel, where payments will be used to resolve it outside of the public eye.
We're not talking about Derek from sales over claiming his expenses and Tom in HR faffing about with the disciplinary procedure to make sure he doesn't take them to tribunal, are we?

What 'dodgy behaviour' are you accusing Reform of ?
It seems that two of their employees have broken the terms of their contracts. Reform has instigated the correct procedure and started an investigation. Their Human Resources Dept will make sure that the correct steps are taken to avoid a claim for unfair dismissal.
Unless anyone understands Employment Law they aren't really in a position to comment.

I'll also have to agree to disagree with this.

Farage makes pie-in-the-sky empty promises – because he can.

Nothing in his long record of failing to turn up to Parliament, to the European Parliament and to his constituency suggests that he will try to deliver anything.

Well, not for the British electorate anyway.

He does seem a little more interested on delivering for his wealthy foreign pals. Crapto, anyone?