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to leave ten year old twins in a cafe while I swim?

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justkeepswimminginalake · 03/09/2026 20:45

I’m a single parent to ten year old twins and I was hoping to start open water swimming again. There’s a swimming lake near me which has an onsite cafe and I was thinking about leaving the boys in the cafe by themselves while I swim. We’ve been to the cafe a few times and it’s fairly chilled, mostly swimmers (and their friends/families), young families and old people. It’s also next door to the reception area for the swimming lakes so if they feel uncomfortable there’s somewhere else they can go.

Would I be unreasonable to order them breakfast and a drink and leave them there for half an hour while I swim. They’re generally pretty sensible and I’d pack Yotos with headphones, and some games and books for them to entertain themselves. There’s no one else who can take them.

OP posts:
justkeepswimminginalake · 05/09/2026 08:59

JustSaying10 · 05/09/2026 08:20

Why can't they just hang around beside the lake where people sit or get dressed or whatever. Give them some treats. Just leave the cafe out of it.

The only covered area is the changing area, which is a wooden structure open on one side with pegs and benches. There’s no cubicles or privacy there and I think that people getting changed (who tend to mostly be women tbh) might feel uncomfortable with two boys hanging around, and my boys would also feel uncomfortable being in the changing area. the changing area is the only covered area so in rain it would be the only option and it’s still pretty exposed and there’s no protection from cold. Because of their age they aren’t old enough to swim so I don’t know if they’d even be allowed.

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Forgotthebins · 05/09/2026 08:59

If they’re generally well behaved I don’t see the problem. Could you get a smartwatch of some kind so they can call you in the water if there is a problem?

Goinggreymammy · 05/09/2026 09:00

justkeepswimminginalake · 04/09/2026 07:56

Wow a lot of responses, so here’s some answers to the most common points. Their birthday is in February so pretty much in the middle of the academic year. In terms of what independence they have, they walk down the road to friends, to the park, to our local sweet shop in town which involves crossing our minor road and using a zebra crossing, and if we need a few bits from a shop on our way home I often pull up and one of them goes into to the shop on his own. I’ll leave them at home to nip out to the shop, if I walk maybe 20-30 minutes. I see them going into town and buying sweets as more risky than sitting in a cafe. They haven’t used public transport alone and their independence other than the park seems to mostly be walking to places rather than staying in places. I need to start working on public transport because one wants to try secondary school next year and I think his brother will follow so I need to get them both confident on the bus together and separately.

I can’t go while they’re at school because they don’t go to school. They’re home educated while I work from home. Even if they were in school, I can’t take 90 minutes from my work day to go swimming. It’s just me and the boys and there’s no family nearby who can watch them while I swim. We have local friends I would happily call on in an emergency but a weekly standing childcare arrangement in the evening or at the weekend for 90 minutes at a time, which probably wouldn’t need to be reciprocated feels like piss taking to me. I’m not convinced there are many childminders who would want those times either and calling on a local teen I don’t know feels riskier than them being on their own. As for going for a swim while they’re in a class, it’s 20 minutes away from the nearest town where there’s anything happening and they’re quite busy with activities already and one of them in particular would really resist the idea.

They are generally sensible boys, and while of course they have their moments with silliness and winding each other up, I have no doubts about their ability to sit at a table for half an hour while I swim and if I did then I wouldn’t have thought of it. There was no expectation that the cafe would be childcare because at ten years old, they don’t need looking after for such a short period. This plan only just occurred to me today when one of them asked to go to the cafe, so I hadn’t considered other options which have come up such as leaving them at home, or getting an Apple Watch so I could see calls and texts coming in from them.

IAs for if they can swim with me, I double checked the lake’s rules because I had in my head they were too young and they can’t swim until 11. One of them would call the police on me himself if I suggested getting into a lake in February, the other might be up for joining me but they feel safer together to me and all the times we’ve been to the cafe by the lake, neither have been interested in swimming. That might be because they prefer to go paddle boarding though.

I could drown, or they could choke but those risks seem tiny. They’re old enough to go to the kitchen and grab snacks without me knowing, and I could drown in the bath. We could all get injured in a car accident on the way over. I just don’t consider those risks high enough to outweigh the benefits of them having more independence and me getting to swim.

I still haven’t decided what to do. I was pretty shocked by the initial blanket negativity and posters saying I should be arrested. Even though I thought it would be a discussion I didn’t expect the strength of feeling about it. I was thinking fifteen minutes after I posted that it was a totally terrible idea, but now the thread is more mixed, I’m considering it more again. I think my plan is to go to the cafe with the boys, give them some money and let them order and sit alone in the cafe while I’m outside (in the cafe outdoor seating out of view) to test run and see how it works when I’m out of sight, but also there. Then take it from there. I feel confident they’ll be fine because they have the carrot of breakfast out and cake every week if we do go ahead. I think it will be good for them to have that extra independence, and also to see me doing something I want to do and they have to sit and wait while I do will be good for them as well. I can’t see how it would be a problem for the cafe if it became a regular thing either. They’d be two extra regular customers who would be as much bother as any other customer.

I think that’s most points answered.

It's not that they wouldn't be able to order food or wait in a cafe. It's that if there is some sort of unexpected emergency (for either of you, im not going to speculate what type, that is the nature of unexpected emergencies) there is nobody immediately available to contact and nobody to take them. You would be off swimming, you are talking about your phone and an Apple watch, but depending on using technology in a lake sounds unreliable... how do yiu answer your phone while swimming? So they could potentially be left there, and then yes,the staff would have to supervise.

I allowed my DS to go to local shop, play in park etc alone at 10. BUT I was at home and available if anyone needed to contact me.
Thats the difference between you going to the skate rink aged 10 - im guessing it was that you were being given independence with friends, not that you were being left so your carers could go off and be independent.

Goinggreymammy · 05/09/2026 09:05

justkeepswimminginalake · 04/09/2026 08:38

Yes the primary justification is doing something I wanted to do. I don’t see a problem with that. I don’t think I am prioritising my needs over my children’s. They don’t have any unmet needs in this situation, and their needs would always come above mine. What I am doing is prioritising me, thought the thought came about when my son asked if he could go to the cafe, so they’re getting something positive from this too. I don’t see how my kids eating and drinking in a place they like while I spend half an hour (and less as winter comes around and with the forecasting the lake might freeze because it’s small and shallow) doing something I love is a bad thing.

I do everything for the boys. Pretty much all my time and money is spent on them. I’m a single parent with a limited support network so it is all on me. When one of them was was badly bullied a couple of ago I took him out of school used a significant amount of unpaid leave to help him heal and transition to home education, which has been another significant stress and time investment because now all of their education and socialisation is also down to just me. I say this with no resentment. It’s worth it and I’d do it all again and more for them because they deserve it. But it also means that I feel no guilt at all at the thought of putting myself first for half an hour a week, especially when putting myself first means them spending time in a cafe they enjoy. And I also think it’s useful for them to see me as a person who has a life outside of their wants and needs and doing something for myself. Not claiming that’s my primary motivation, but I think it would be good for them nonetheless.

Why don't you get a sitter? Yes you should meet your needs and have hobbies but if you have absolutely no support network then pay someone to mind your children.

Goldensprat · 05/09/2026 09:13

PP was bang on with the insight that people don't like this because they don't like a mother doing something for herself.

Even if the objective risks of a scenario are the same or even higher it would be somehow 'better' for the kids to have fun and build confidence by themselves if the trip was for them and the mother was doing something boring whilst. Or perhaps just sitting by the phone at home wringing her hands?

It's a strange sort of puritanical approach to motherhood but a very good insight I hadn't thought of before. Sorry can't find the PP who first said it but you are right!

justkeepswimminginalake · 05/09/2026 09:17

Goinggreymammy · 05/09/2026 09:00

It's not that they wouldn't be able to order food or wait in a cafe. It's that if there is some sort of unexpected emergency (for either of you, im not going to speculate what type, that is the nature of unexpected emergencies) there is nobody immediately available to contact and nobody to take them. You would be off swimming, you are talking about your phone and an Apple watch, but depending on using technology in a lake sounds unreliable... how do yiu answer your phone while swimming? So they could potentially be left there, and then yes,the staff would have to supervise.

I allowed my DS to go to local shop, play in park etc alone at 10. BUT I was at home and available if anyone needed to contact me.
Thats the difference between you going to the skate rink aged 10 - im guessing it was that you were being given independence with friends, not that you were being left so your carers could go off and be independent.

A few posts on here have touched on the fact that the main motivation is my desire to swim, and that the boys’ independence is secondary. That’s true, but the net effect to the boys is the same and I’m not sure that’s it’s relevant why. It’s either appropriate for them to hang out in a cafe alone for half an hour or it isn’t. I also don’t have a problem putting myself first in a situation where the boys are also happy. This is also a side effect not the main cause, but I think it’s good for them to see that I’m a person with wants, needs and interests outside of them and for them to have to sit back sometimes to let me do something I want to do.

I’m not sure on answering calls, but I’d be able to see calls coming in and read messages. We do also have friends who they know they can call in an emergency, and I’ll remind them of that again because with it just being us that’s something which I’ve always been aware of. These people would be the same 20-30 minutes from the lake as us.

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FourSevenFive · 05/09/2026 09:19

Goldensprat · 05/09/2026 09:13

PP was bang on with the insight that people don't like this because they don't like a mother doing something for herself.

Even if the objective risks of a scenario are the same or even higher it would be somehow 'better' for the kids to have fun and build confidence by themselves if the trip was for them and the mother was doing something boring whilst. Or perhaps just sitting by the phone at home wringing her hands?

It's a strange sort of puritanical approach to motherhood but a very good insight I hadn't thought of before. Sorry can't find the PP who first said it but you are right!

This.

This is is the strongest observation to take from this thread.

TheEdgyMoose · 05/09/2026 09:22

Goinggreymammy · 05/09/2026 09:00

It's not that they wouldn't be able to order food or wait in a cafe. It's that if there is some sort of unexpected emergency (for either of you, im not going to speculate what type, that is the nature of unexpected emergencies) there is nobody immediately available to contact and nobody to take them. You would be off swimming, you are talking about your phone and an Apple watch, but depending on using technology in a lake sounds unreliable... how do yiu answer your phone while swimming? So they could potentially be left there, and then yes,the staff would have to supervise.

I allowed my DS to go to local shop, play in park etc alone at 10. BUT I was at home and available if anyone needed to contact me.
Thats the difference between you going to the skate rink aged 10 - im guessing it was that you were being given independence with friends, not that you were being left so your carers could go off and be independent.

If her phone rings while she's swimming she can swim to the side of the lake and answer it. What's difficult about that?

OP is a single parent. She can not possibly be immediately available 24/7 just in case something happens. She is swimming in a small lake while her children are sitting in a cafe. It's incredibly unlikely that anything major will go wrong.

If she was in the cafe with them and had a medical emergency they would be in the same situation as if something happened to her when she's five minutes away at the lake. So should she not go to cafes with them? If they were in the park and someone called her she could get hit by a car on the way to the park and they would again be in the same situation. So that's not safe either. If a lone adult had an accident in a cafe staff would presumably help. So what's the difference between that and them helping a capable 10 year old? Or should adults not go out alone just in case?

There is no situation ever that is 100% safe. Most people live their lives assuming that the worst won't happen. If we didn't then no one would ever do anything.

There is nothing wrong with OP enjoying a little time to herself while her children are in a perfectly safe environment.

camperjam · 05/09/2026 09:25

My son is the same age with his 11th birthday in February. He's just started walking to school by himself which makes me nervous but he's desperate for some independence and he's loving it.

I think he's sensible enough to be left alone in a cafe for 30 minutes, let alone if there were 2 of them.

I used to walk to the local swimming pool when I was bit older with my sister who's 4 years younger than me.

We do our kids a disservice by not letting them be independent and having confidence in themselves.

I would give it a go, get a smart watch so they can contact you if necessary. I'm sure they'll love having the time to sit and eat cake with an ipad. I would too actually!

JassyRadlett · 05/09/2026 09:25

Goinggreymammy · 05/09/2026 09:00

It's not that they wouldn't be able to order food or wait in a cafe. It's that if there is some sort of unexpected emergency (for either of you, im not going to speculate what type, that is the nature of unexpected emergencies) there is nobody immediately available to contact and nobody to take them. You would be off swimming, you are talking about your phone and an Apple watch, but depending on using technology in a lake sounds unreliable... how do yiu answer your phone while swimming? So they could potentially be left there, and then yes,the staff would have to supervise.

I allowed my DS to go to local shop, play in park etc alone at 10. BUT I was at home and available if anyone needed to contact me.
Thats the difference between you going to the skate rink aged 10 - im guessing it was that you were being given independence with friends, not that you were being left so your carers could go off and be independent.

How does the motivation for leaving the children alone change the risk assessment?

TheEdgyMoose · 05/09/2026 09:32

justkeepswimminginalake · 05/09/2026 09:17

A few posts on here have touched on the fact that the main motivation is my desire to swim, and that the boys’ independence is secondary. That’s true, but the net effect to the boys is the same and I’m not sure that’s it’s relevant why. It’s either appropriate for them to hang out in a cafe alone for half an hour or it isn’t. I also don’t have a problem putting myself first in a situation where the boys are also happy. This is also a side effect not the main cause, but I think it’s good for them to see that I’m a person with wants, needs and interests outside of them and for them to have to sit back sometimes to let me do something I want to do.

I’m not sure on answering calls, but I’d be able to see calls coming in and read messages. We do also have friends who they know they can call in an emergency, and I’ll remind them of that again because with it just being us that’s something which I’ve always been aware of. These people would be the same 20-30 minutes from the lake as us.

You are absolutely right, OP! It's incredibly important that children learn to respect the needs and desires of others.

It's astounding that, on a site predominantly used my women and mothers, so many people have an issue with a mother taking a small amount of time to do something for herself.

I hope you have a lovely swim and that this can become a regular routine for the three of you.

Timeforachange26 · 05/09/2026 09:39

jacks11 · 05/09/2026 01:11

No, it’s not ok to leave minors in a cafe and this responsibility with the staff. I’m sure they are sensible, but you aren’t going to be immediately contactable if something goes wrong and at 10 years old they may well not be equipped to deal with anything that does go awry- however unlikely that might be.

My dd worked out an activity centre and they had an issue where 2 children were left whilst a parent was busy doing something. They had a tiff and one walked out into the car park, where there was sn accident; the parent was not immediately available- not far, but was doing one the activities and staff could not immediately identify them/they had to be alerted an make their way back- ambulance called and it was really awful for the children involved and the staff too. I also know that police had brief involvement (as staff could not identify the responsible adult initially) and there was a referral to social work. That is just one unlikely, but potentially serious, scenario of what could go wrong- even with normally sensible and well behaved young children. It’s not a risk I would take, personally.

And could it not happen with a couple of 12 year olds who had popped in on way home from school also?

Movingonup313 · 05/09/2026 09:40

I wonder what the response would be if you said, is it okay for ten year olds to go to a cafe together and I would be 5/10 mins away if they needed me.

Seems some 10 year olds on here have no independence. This is totally different to where I am in Scotland. They walk to school from age 8, cycle to parks age 8/9, go to cafes with friends age 10 (some take a younger sibling) and some 8/9 year olds are home with a 10 year sibling whilst the parent nips out.

I once asked my local pool if during quiet periods could i put my child in her baby car seat in the seating area at the side whilst I swam up and down - the seating area is 2 metres from the edge of the pool. The pool is 25 metres. Id.have been max 15 metres from her at any time. I had no-one else. I paid child minder on working days. I just needed a 30 min swim. They looked at me in horror. Absolutely not they said. (Putting aside what if other people clocked on and it became a request from hoardes, I was surprised - she wasnt walking and couldnt get out her seat and would love watching.) Anyway.... imagine if I had asked on here first.

FWIW i do see why they said no and were aghast.

Timeforachange26 · 05/09/2026 09:42

cannynotsay · 05/09/2026 07:30

Wouldn’t leaving them at home be safer? If they’re this sensible.

Why would it be safer?

Bjorkdidit · 05/09/2026 10:01

God, can you imagine if the OP asked about leaving them home alone? The thread would be all about her drowning in the lake or crashing on the journey and no-one ever knowing so DC starve or set fire to the house and burn to death instead.

At least taking them to the lake reduces the time they're separate from the OP and they're never out of sight of adults, whether or not they're 'responsible' for them so are unlikely to do something totally stupid.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 05/09/2026 10:16

PixieTales · 04/09/2026 23:03

My point is if they are sensible enough to sit on their own in a cafe for half and hour then of course they are more than fine to be at home for 1 hour where they are much safer and probably happier!

But let’s be honest OP says she doesn’t expect staff to look after them but she is assuming they will keep an eye. What if there were no staff it was just a seating area would she be happy to leave them then? I doubt it.

I was about that age when I was left alone in a seating area at the leisure centre - no cafe, no staff - because I'd had a cold and wasn't allowed to go swimming with my parents and sister. I sat there with my book and sulked, nothing terrible happened.

ThatHangryRubyReader · 05/09/2026 10:18

Id be concerned that someone would report them for being left alone in a cafe

maudelovesharold · 05/09/2026 10:22

I allowed my DS to go to local shop, play in park etc alone at 10. BUT I was at home and available if anyone needed to contact me.
Thats the difference between you going to the skate rink aged 10 - im guessing it was that you were being given independence with friends, not that you were being left so your carers could go off and be independent.

So what would have happened if you’d had a medical emergency/choked on your mid-morning biscuit/tripped over the cat on the stairs and knocked yourself out cold? The home is one of the riskiest environments there is. Most accidents and accidental deaths happen at home.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 05/09/2026 10:23

You know your DC so go ahead. They have each other for support and by the time they've finished eating/ drinking you'll be back. I think that's better than leaving them at home further away from you.

BlueMum16 · 05/09/2026 10:26

ThatHangryRubyReader · 05/09/2026 10:18

Id be concerned that someone would report them for being left alone in a cafe

Report them to who? For what?

Drinking hot chocolate?

Imagine the report....

Hello, I'd like to report two preteens sitting drinking chocolate in a cafe?
What are they doing wrong? Nothing, reading a book/chatting quietly?
Ok, who are they? No idea I'm sorry they are sat in a cafe.
Ok what's your concern? I'm not sure. I'm just a busy body that thinks 10 year olds cannot be sat anywhere unsupervised.

maudelovesharold · 05/09/2026 10:26

ThatHangryRubyReader · 05/09/2026 10:18

Id be concerned that someone would report them for being left alone in a cafe

😁

ThatHangryRubyReader · 05/09/2026 10:49

BlueMum16 · 05/09/2026 10:26

Report them to who? For what?

Drinking hot chocolate?

Imagine the report....

Hello, I'd like to report two preteens sitting drinking chocolate in a cafe?
What are they doing wrong? Nothing, reading a book/chatting quietly?
Ok, who are they? No idea I'm sorry they are sat in a cafe.
Ok what's your concern? I'm not sure. I'm just a busy body that thinks 10 year olds cannot be sat anywhere unsupervised.

I personally would have a problem with it but cafe staff might. Anyway some people love reporting others for non issues.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 05/09/2026 10:53

ThatHangryRubyReader · 05/09/2026 10:49

I personally would have a problem with it but cafe staff might. Anyway some people love reporting others for non issues.

The cafe staff are likely to only have a problem if they are being a pest and causing trouble. The op knows her kids and has faith that they won’t be - it’s also important that we show trust in our kids to do things.

Carrie108 · 05/09/2026 10:56

It sounds fine to me as long as they are generally sensible. Kids of that age take themselves to school and back all the time, so I'm not quite sure what some of the outraged replies are about?

ThatHangryRubyReader · 05/09/2026 10:58

ThatHangryRubyReader · 05/09/2026 10:49

I personally would have a problem with it but cafe staff might. Anyway some people love reporting others for non issues.

I meant wouldn't. Sorry

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