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AIBU to be so sick of tradespeople/ cleaners asking for cash in hand?

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Endlesspasswords · 03/09/2026 06:21

So my cleaner charges £21/hour cash, but just said she wants more if I pay by bank transfer, because bank transfer means she can’t dodge declaring it. As if paying by transfer (i.e. traceably) is some kind of favour/ privilege I should pay extra for.

Same with some work I got a quote for- it’s the attitude that if I don’t want to pay in cash, I’m the one ‘hurting’ their bank balance or being awkward.

I’m freelance B2B myself. No sick pay, no employer pension contributions, no paid holiday, I know exactly what it’s like to carry your own tax and NI. But I still pay tax on every invoice, because that’s the deal.

I’m so sick with the fact that self-employed people in one sector get to treat tax as optional while others pay for their healthcare, schools etc.

and yes, I’m getting a new cleaner.

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TheFormerMrsTruelove · 07/09/2026 15:23

rwalker · 03/09/2026 06:52

In the big scheme of things it makes no difference to him he gets £1800 cash or £2200 transfer after tax that’s more or less £1800

It makes a huge difference to him because it changes the amount he’d need to charge you to get himself that £1800.

If you’re someone who isn’t really concerned with what tax someone else is paying, and you’ve got two equally qualified and experienced tradesmen giving you quotes of £1800 in cash and £2200 by bank transfer, then the majority will go for the £1800 cash quote. Which leaves the £2200 tradesman with no job because he’s been undercut.

I’m not saying it’s right. But it happens.

Noras · 07/09/2026 15:21

Well as I can see cash money being abandoned and only bank transfers in the very near future - I don’t worry toot much. I give cash about 10 or 15 years and then it will be a thing of the past. There will be online check in places for those with no phone or internet who can put monies onto a card.

ScotchBonnet74 · 07/09/2026 15:20

whatsit84 · 07/09/2026 15:00

I’ve been to 3 different nail bars within the past year which all accept card….

I have never been to a nail bar in my whole life!

whatsit84 · 07/09/2026 15:00

CarrieOakie · 03/09/2026 06:57

Try finding a nail bar that accepts anything but cash, there are thousands of them up and don’t the country. They avoid income tax and business rates

thousands of people getting their nails done & they must realise what’s happening?

I’ve been to 3 different nail bars within the past year which all accept card….

ScotchBonnet74 · 07/09/2026 14:53

It would depend for me. If it's a tradesperson I would pay by bank transfer so I have a record of having paid in case of any problems down the line. If it's the neighbour's teenager washing cars to earn a few quid, then cash is fine. I don't think though that we should assume that everyone who prefers cash is either avoiding paying tax or child benefit.

Bolon · 07/09/2026 14:41

If you’re not happy paying cash just drop casually into the quoting convo that you work for HMRC. That tends to ensure you’re dealing with legitimate companies.

lilkitten · 07/09/2026 14:36

Yep, I'm SE too, I declare everything. I'm autistic too, I love rules and I probably wouldn't be able to stop myself quizzing them on why they don't want to pay tax etc. It gives the rest of us a bad name. When asked if I'll take cash for less, I say it's the same but I'm half-tempted to say it will cost more as I have to take the time to travel to a bank, and pay a higher fee to deposit it than I pay for other methods.
I seem to be lucky though that I've always found the tradespeople who take transfers or card payment.

Toodarktooearly · 07/09/2026 06:48

Augustus40 · 07/09/2026 06:43

It is a well known fact 50% of the UK is subsisting off benefit claims and cash in hand jobs. I am obviously not suggesting roofers plumbers and electricians are claiming benefits but everybody self employed needs a little bit of cash in hand as they do not get an employer pension sick leave and annual leave. This has been going on for years. Personally I do not question this too much and most professionals will be registered at HMRC.
Only 15% of the UK is self employed which leads to misunderstandings as the majority is an employee.

'well known fact' really? It's a guess and a wilfully inaccurate one if 15% are selfemployed

Augustus40 · 07/09/2026 06:43

It is a well known fact 50% of the UK is subsisting off benefit claims and cash in hand jobs. I am obviously not suggesting roofers plumbers and electricians are claiming benefits but everybody self employed needs a little bit of cash in hand as they do not get an employer pension sick leave and annual leave. This has been going on for years. Personally I do not question this too much and most professionals will be registered at HMRC.
Only 15% of the UK is self employed which leads to misunderstandings as the majority is an employee.

Toodarktooearly · 07/09/2026 06:27

PuppyMonkey · 03/09/2026 17:09

You do know it’s not compulsory for you to contribute - especially when you haven’t got much time. Grin

Agree if you can't read the thread and quite deliberately choose not to don't join in

changeme4this · 06/09/2026 04:11

There’s a lot of self employed people asking for cash only. The ones I can immediately think of are untrained in their ‘industry’ and possibly not familiar with business deductions that would reduce their taxable amount legally.

LambBot · 06/09/2026 01:59

Just my own experience. I had a cleaner who was very good and came via one of those friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend referrals.

I knew a bit about her personal circumstances and knew that money was quite tight for her. Because of that, I deliberately paid her roughly what I would have paid a commercial cleaning company, so considerably more than the usual direct hourly rate. I’ve never felt particularly comfortable with getting cheap labour by underpaying someone who may be in a vulnerable financial position.

Our arrangement was that I paid her by bank transfer every Friday, because that’s when I do my banking. I was a very steady and reliable payer, so she knew exactly when the money would arrive, and it worked perfectly well for a couple of months.

Then she started insisting that she wanted to be paid cash on the day. Initially I wondered whether it was simply because she was cash poor and needed the money immediately for groceries or other day-to-day expenses. I was sympathetic to that, but at the same time it was quite inconvenient for me to make sure I had cash available every time she came. Paying on Friday meant I knew exactly what I owed for the week, including if she’d been off sick or hadn’t come for some reason, and I could just transfer it.

When I said I wanted to stick with the arrangement we’d agreed, she got quite huffy about it. That did make me wonder whether there was another reason she particularly wanted cash rather than a bank transfer, potentially because of tax or benefits, although obviously I didn’t know that for certain.

I found the whole thing quite tricky. I was genuinely trying to do the right thing. I was paying her very well, I was a reliable payer, and I was conscious of her circumstances. But I also didn’t want my sympathy for her situation to mean I was being taken advantage of, or to find myself inadvertently facilitating something fraudulent.

She moved on a couple of months later, which was disappointing because she was an excellent cleaner. I did um and ah about whether I should report my concerns, but in the end decided it wasn’t really my business to speculate about what she was or wasn’t declaring. I’d paid her properly, all my payments were documented, and what she did about her own tax or benefits was ultimately her responsibility.

It was just one of those situations where trying to be fair and decent to someone while also maintaining sensible boundaries became surprisingly complicated.

Ladygodalmighty · 05/09/2026 14:34

Badbadbunny · 04/09/2026 23:12

Not just vat. If they don’t declare it savesthem income tax and nic, also helps them evade child maintenance and maybe even benefit fraud. They may pay their workers in cash in hand too saving employers nic, workplace pension, etc.

This! While at the same time his employees are probably claiming benefits. It's FRAUD! Every honest tax payers is subsiding these thieves! No wonder the Country's finances are in such a state. It's criminal and not victimless as the perpetrators would have us believe 😡

grinandslothit · 05/09/2026 12:40

I don't think I would like it if it is just somewhat large sum of money. as other posters have mentioned it can be used to dodge paying child maintenance which I would care about more so than the taxes plus just getting that amount in cash is a hassle to me

Tralalalala88 · 05/09/2026 12:36

I don’t mind giving tradespeople cash in hand if they do a good job , are reliable and don’t over charge . However that never seems to be the case these days

GinaandGin · 05/09/2026 12:35

LauritaEvita · 04/09/2026 09:27

This is such a snobby thread that I cannot relate to at all. The people gleefully saying that they report people who’ve they’ve asked for a quote to HMRC are repulsive and alien to me. What a load of grasses.

Agree 100
Same people who are high earners and look down their nose at cash in hand probably employ an accountant and get round taxes
Probably whinge about inheritance tax and stamp duty etc

Badbadbunny · 05/09/2026 11:45

Bobibbsleigh · 05/09/2026 03:22

the average hourly rate for cleaners in Bristol now is £25 per hour (and mostly cash only!) - my last cleaner had gone off to do her paramedic training - but she quickly released she made far more money as a self employed cleaner

Well, that kinda proves the point people are making. A cleaner will make more if she can evade tax and NIC (and probably illegally claim benefits due to undeclared income), whereas a paramedic will be on PAYE suffering income tax, NIC, pension deductions, union subs and other deductions, etc.

The huge difference is that the paramedic would be accruing a generous occupational pension, paid holidays, paid sickness, and probably a route for promotions and higher pay grades etc. Whereas the cleaner working on cash gets none of that.

So short term, yes, illegal undeclared cash gives you more cash in your pocket, but long term, a proper "job" under PAYE, especially in the NHS with enhanced benefits etc would be better for future proofing and future income etc.

FirmSnake · 05/09/2026 10:43

Pinkju · 05/09/2026 09:59

The UK government is crap and damages everything it touches. I'd rather live as my own free individual thank you very much

Plenty of countries with minimally functioning governments. If thats your thing, why not emigrate and try out those private providers you think are so wonderful?

Pinkju · 05/09/2026 09:59

FirmSnake · 05/09/2026 07:34

Most idiotic thing I've ever read. You'd rather guerilla warfare (with what weaponry?) than a functional government? Ridiculous 😂

The UK government is crap and damages everything it touches. I'd rather live as my own free individual thank you very much

FirmSnake · 05/09/2026 07:34

Pinkju · 04/09/2026 20:59

What natural resources do we have? We are a service based economy? Our oil and coal are running out.

If they tried something do you not think people would want to try and fight back on the guerrilla level. I'd take arms. So would everyone to fight an invasion.

Most idiotic thing I've ever read. You'd rather guerilla warfare (with what weaponry?) than a functional government? Ridiculous 😂

BermudaRhombus · 05/09/2026 06:36

Pinkju · 04/09/2026 20:59

What natural resources do we have? We are a service based economy? Our oil and coal are running out.

If they tried something do you not think people would want to try and fight back on the guerrilla level. I'd take arms. So would everyone to fight an invasion.

It amazes me that people seriously suggest that Russia has either the intention or the capability to attack the Uk or any other European nation. They have been humiliated in Ukraine where they thought they’d prevail in days. As the US has discovered in Iran: sometimes it’s better to let people suspect you’re weak, rather than start a war and prove it.

sashh · 05/09/2026 06:22

CarrieOakie · 03/09/2026 06:57

Try finding a nail bar that accepts anything but cash, there are thousands of them up and don’t the country. They avoid income tax and business rates

thousands of people getting their nails done & they must realise what’s happening?

And a lot 'employ' Vietnamese women who may or may not be trafficked.

The lady who does my nails was born locally and definitely pays her tax / NI.

Bobibbsleigh · 05/09/2026 03:22

GreenSedan · 03/09/2026 08:06

I know this isn't the point of the thread, but £21/hour? That's loads!

the average hourly rate for cleaners in Bristol now is £25 per hour (and mostly cash only!) - my last cleaner had gone off to do her paramedic training - but she quickly released she made far more money as a self employed cleaner

Badbadbunny · 04/09/2026 23:16

BrezhnevsLuxuriantEyebrows · 04/09/2026 19:27

Do you receive many cheques these days?!

But as for online transfer charges, it largely depends on what you sell, surely? If you sell cars, a 35p bank charge is nothing at all; but if you sell 200 people a loaf of bread or a carton of milk every day, and they all pay by card, that charge could represent much or even most/all of your profit.

Also, bank charges tend to vary based on turnover - with the people with the fewest transactions ending up having to pay proportionately much more. The likes of Tesco and Sainsbury's likely negotiate their charges for receiving payments virtually nothing for each of their millions of transactions; your local corner shop has far, far less negotiating power.

Less negotiating power but lots of choice as to which bank and which card provider to use. Some card providers are aimed at high volume low value transactions for small shops etc.

Badbadbunny · 04/09/2026 23:14

BrezhnevsLuxuriantEyebrows · 04/09/2026 19:36

Except that, for small traders where a high proportion of their takings will effectively represent their own wages, with cash, they don't ever have to deposit that in the bank at all. As long as it all goes through the books, what's the issue?

How do they pay their mortgage, utilities etc if they don’t bank the cash?