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Dog crates are cruel

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Poppycorn123 · 02/09/2026 13:31

In light of this terrible story I think they should be banned. Yes people will say they are good for training etc but I think in general they are being overused. A family member would put the dog in it while they have guests. Dog is not vicious or anything, just gets a bit excited as a young dog should. I think this is awful.

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HappiestSleeping · 02/09/2026 18:34

Summer26woohoo · 02/09/2026 15:03

Agree.

The terminology 'crate' is used because it makes it sound better, that's all. The crate - a training tool. The crate - their safe place. How lovely and responsible.

In actual reality, it's just a cage though isn't it? A small wire or wood cage that you keep at home, to lock away the dog when it becomes or may become inconvenient. Massively over and mis-used ime.

I can actually see the value of a secure area for short periods when you have a very young puppy or a sick dog whose movements must be restricted. I preferred a puppy pen for ours when she was very young because it was 5 times bigger than a large crate so she still had room to play - and up to 6 months she was in it when we went out or to bed. She was a baby in an unfamiliar environment. At 6 months ish we got rid.

I can also see why a doorless crate may be kept forever...dogs do sometimes want to hunker down under something and be alone. Every so often ours takes herself off to the dining room for a nap under the table...usually after a mammoth walk or if there's a housefull. And the message is very clearly 'i'm done now, leave me the fuck alone'. And we do. And a couple of hours later she'll wander back to spend the rest of the evening on the sofa with us. If we had a crate here, I absolutely believe she'd use it for those times.

But dogs are pack animals and largely want to be with their people. So many times I read of people locking adult dogs in cages for 12 hours a night. Even before they go to bed. 7-7 every night or similar. Or every time when guests are over - talk about how to induce anxiety in a dog every time people are around. Even for work...oh I'm only gone 4 hours, she LOVES her crate, she's fine.

No space to stretch their legs or adjust their temperature. Just stuck there in one tiny cage until someone let's them out.

It's cruel, unnatural and unhealthy, both physically and mentally. But so many people are so captured they can't see it.

Or every time when guests are over - talk about how to induce anxiety in a dog every time people are around

That just isnt true though. It won't induce anxiety in the slightest, although I agree it isn't necessarily best practice, just not for the reason you state.

LadyWhistledownsSocietyPapers · 02/09/2026 18:33

Didntask · 02/09/2026 18:15

If you can't supervise a puppy that young for the whole day, you really shouldn't have one.

So only unemployed people are allowed pets? Unemployed people who never have to leave the house even to go shopping? Got it.

I'll be sure to apologise to my very much loved and looked after 8 year old dog that I was cruel not refusing to leave my home for the first year of her life.

ETA - I see you're specifically talking about 4 months, but my point still stands if you're expecting people to be there watching a puppy for 24 hours a day for a month.

AbacusCat · 02/09/2026 18:31

Out of interest, are playpens for children still a thing? It's the same sort of principle.

GuppytheCat · 02/09/2026 18:30

AbacusCat · 02/09/2026 18:25

Cats don't typically chew, that's the main difference. There's little chance of your average cat biting into an electric cable while your back is turned.

Kittens do. Kitten proofing a room is a bloody nightmare.

suggestionsplease1 · 02/09/2026 18:30

I had never used crates with any dogs before and didn't really approve of them but then I got a working cocker spaniel puppy and I soon changed my tune.

The crate was the only way he could truly rest as he was so wired he was just on the go constantly and had very poor sleep. This exacerbated quite severe guarding behaviours unfortunately - when he was was rested these diminished significantly. So yes it was a safety question for us, and it also became his safe space that he took himself away too.

If he wasn't in the crate for eg. when tradespeople / children were round he was constantly on edge, anxious and trying to work out what he should be doing - he just couldn't switch off and it absolutely exhausted him. In his covered crate he immediately relaxed and accepted he didn't need to do anything and could sleep. Sure I could put him in another room but he would try to bite through the door/ walls and would howl constantly, and he showed no such agitation in his crate.

Not needed so much now that he is older.

PoliteSquid · 02/09/2026 18:26

Poppycorn123 · 02/09/2026 13:41

@politesquidDo you lock him in it at night?

Yes! He’s fine. It’s massive and he can stretch and move if he wants. Mostly tho he curls up very small in the corner. He’s a spaniel so not a titchy dog.

AbacusCat · 02/09/2026 18:25

Didntask · 02/09/2026 18:17

How do cats manage?

Cats don't typically chew, that's the main difference. There's little chance of your average cat biting into an electric cable while your back is turned.

Createausername1970 · 02/09/2026 18:25

Our dog loved her crate. We put a blanket over it so it was dark, and she used to take herself in there. It was just another place to sleep.

I think we actually shut her in and closed the door probably about half a dozen times if that, mainly for her own safety - when we were having furniture delivered and the door was going to be open for a long time, that type of thing, or when the gas meter man needed to crawl into the under stairs cupboard and didn't need a dogs nose up his bum.

It was a useful tool.

A neglected dog will suffer, crate or no crate.

FurthestEdge · 02/09/2026 18:20

I didn't read the story but my dog loves her crate. She will often take herself there throughout the day and at night, puts herself to bed there- the door is never closed but she chooses to sleep there. We cover the top/sides with a blanket and its like a dark, safe den which she loves so no, i dont think its remotely cruel

My neighbours 2 labradors have crates and she does the covering with blankets thing. They seem to like sleeping in there. The doors are open. They can go in and out as they please. It's a tidy place for them to sleep so nobody trips over them. Massive kitchen though. Prob wouldn't fit in most.

Yabadabadooooooo · 02/09/2026 18:19

Didntask · 02/09/2026 18:17

How do cats manage?

Most of them scream bloody murder, from what I’ve seen! Poor things.

Yabadabadooooooo · 02/09/2026 18:18

Didntask · 02/09/2026 18:15

If you can't supervise a puppy that young for the whole day, you really shouldn't have one.

Oh give over, will you.

She had to drive her mother to hospital. I’ve left puppies twice a day for the school run, from when they first came home, and for a couple of hours a day when I’ve had a puppy but still had an older dog to walk.

You can’t take puppies everywhere. I still had to go to the supermarket.

Thats when crates/pens come into play to make sure they are safe from harm.

Didntask · 02/09/2026 18:17

WiddlinDiddlin · 02/09/2026 18:04

Im a dog trainer/behaviourist - crates can be fine or cruel, it entirely depends on how the use of one is trained and managed.

If people do not have crates, do not crate train, how do they prepare their dog for staying at the vet - where they will be crated for hours - for travel that may require confinement - for recovery from illness/accident/surgery where they may need to be on strict crate rest for weeks to limit movement...

I can't see the story in question either, but this sounds like this owner is neglectful or maliciously not looking after their dogs and they'd have treated them awfully even if crates didn't exist. If someone wants to, they can mis use any tool they like to cause suffering/distress/pain.

How do cats manage?

Didntask · 02/09/2026 18:15

Yabadabadooooooo · 02/09/2026 17:55

Okay, noted.

So…..remove sofa, floors, skirting boards….

Some dogs chew. My friend left her 4 month old lab as she had to take her mum to hospital. Thought she has left him in the safest room possible. Returned two hours later to absolute carnage and a puppy who had managed to cut his mouth so badly on a nail in the skirting board he pulled off that he needed emergency vet treatment that was ongoing for weeks.

She soon changed her mind on crate training after that to keep her dog safe.

No amount of training will stop a puppy/dog chewing and you cannot be with them 24 hours a day.

If you can't supervise a puppy that young for the whole day, you really shouldn't have one.

Didntask · 02/09/2026 18:11

SlugJam · 02/09/2026 17:41

My beagle once pulled up and chewed the kitchen floor when we were out of the house for 20 mins. By dog proofing do you mean taking up all of the flooring and removing the furniture?

Sounds like an anxiety issue to me - have you done anything about it?

LadyWhistledownsSocietyPapers · 02/09/2026 18:08

Hellohelga · 02/09/2026 17:07

So much misinformation. Very emotional. Assume you have a cockapoo.
Dog crates are big enough for the dog to stand up and move around if correctly sized. There’s lots of guidance on how to size it up. I’ve an adult Labrador sized one - it’s massive.
Big dogs will break out of a pen by knocking the whole thing over, they aren’t robust enough. A wire crate is much stronger.
Many dogs aren’t safe to range free unsupervised at 6 months because they are still chewing. Labradors chew till they are two.
Dogs sleep around 18 hours a day. More if elderly. They will happily sleep in a cage for four hours while you go out. After a walk all dogs will settle down and sleep for a good four hours, often more.
Dogs sleep around 12 hours during the night. Mine go from around 7pm to 7am. A garden toilet break is advised when you head off to bed though.

Yes, I had a pen for my GSD when she was a puppy with the crate inside, thinking it would mean she could be out if I was simply nipping to the shop or whatever.

It said it was suitable for GSD up to 9 months old and let me tell you, my puppy was scaling it at 12 weeks! So it was absolutely not a safe environment for her to be left in even at that age never mind 6 months.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 02/09/2026 18:07

WiddlinDiddlin · 02/09/2026 18:04

Im a dog trainer/behaviourist - crates can be fine or cruel, it entirely depends on how the use of one is trained and managed.

If people do not have crates, do not crate train, how do they prepare their dog for staying at the vet - where they will be crated for hours - for travel that may require confinement - for recovery from illness/accident/surgery where they may need to be on strict crate rest for weeks to limit movement...

I can't see the story in question either, but this sounds like this owner is neglectful or maliciously not looking after their dogs and they'd have treated them awfully even if crates didn't exist. If someone wants to, they can mis use any tool they like to cause suffering/distress/pain.

I can’t speak for anyone else but my dog has never been crate trained and we’ve never had an issue in the vets after surgery. In the car he sits on the back seat with a seatbelt and harness.

WiddlinDiddlin · 02/09/2026 18:04

Im a dog trainer/behaviourist - crates can be fine or cruel, it entirely depends on how the use of one is trained and managed.

If people do not have crates, do not crate train, how do they prepare their dog for staying at the vet - where they will be crated for hours - for travel that may require confinement - for recovery from illness/accident/surgery where they may need to be on strict crate rest for weeks to limit movement...

I can't see the story in question either, but this sounds like this owner is neglectful or maliciously not looking after their dogs and they'd have treated them awfully even if crates didn't exist. If someone wants to, they can mis use any tool they like to cause suffering/distress/pain.

GuppytheCat · 02/09/2026 18:03

AbacusCat · 02/09/2026 17:51

We used one when our dog was a puppy. Once he was about six months old, we left it in place with the door fastened open and he used it as a sort of bedroom - the cats used to like going in there too. It was in the living room where we all spent most of our time.

We used to take our doggie camping with us and we'd take the crate to put in the tent and shut him in overnight, so that he didn't get up while we were asleep and wander into other people's tents. Other than that it was never shut past the small puppy stage.

He's long dead now but still missed every day.

Ours was initially disconcerted by camping but frantically relieved when we put up her crate in the tent, shot inside and went firmly to sleep.

Every so often we have the "shall we get rid of the crate?" discussion, and then find that she's back on crate rest for doing something idiotic, or wants it on holiday, or is infuriated by the cat trying to join her if she's just in a bed, or prefers to shut out the world at the dogsitter's house.

Someone asked how we'd know if a dog was unhappy when crated at night. Well, she sleeps about two feet from my head. I can hear her peacefully snoring. I think I'd notice?

mtobrokeme · 02/09/2026 18:02

I didn’t use a crate for any of my dogs, I don’t like them and I didn’t need them either. However, surely you can see that it’s the owners who were cruel and not the crate?

Yabadabadooooooo · 02/09/2026 18:02

Limecurd · 02/09/2026 17:56

Those who think it’s cruel to crate overnight with door shut, do you know the hours and hours that a dog sleeps? Sometimes I have my dog on my bed - the odd night here and there where I just want to feel her presence in the night. Absolutely for my benefit. She curls up at the bottom of the bed say around 1030 pm and does not move until the morning. It’s not true that when in a deep contented sleep a dog keeps wanting to wander about. Or go out. At least, this is my experience. My dog sleeps content in her crate at night. Actually I’m working from home today and she’s in it now besides me, fast asleep (door open).

(And my dog doesn’t object to the crate nights after her duvet nights so no stress for her there)

My dog was in her crate, with the door shut, from 10:30pm until dh got up for work at 6am. From when she came home at 12 weeks old. The breeder said most of the pups had just stopped needing toilet breaks in the night.

We went down the first few nights at 2am to see if she needed a wee, but she didn’t.

She’s 2 now and we don’t use a crate anymore unless in holiday homes or camping. She Takes herself off to bed at 9pm and you don’t hear a peep from her until dh gets up at 6. If he has a lay in, she’ll happily nap for a couple of hours more.

Limecurd · 02/09/2026 17:57

Simonjt · 02/09/2026 17:48

Crates with doors are illegal where we live, its also a criminal offense to leave a dog home alone for more than six hours.

Interesting… where are you?

Uricon2 · 02/09/2026 17:57

bagpuss90 · 02/09/2026 14:25

When I got my rescue dog - her crate was her safe space , it had a blanket over it . She would take herself off to her crate of her own accord. I don’t use it now. But used correctly I think they have there place

This. Our old boy was a rescue, we were told he liked his crate as a refuge and when we got him we bought one way bigger than needed for his size (small Staffie). He used it at first, with a blanket over and made as cosy as possible, but he eventually colonised the sofa so it went!

Limecurd · 02/09/2026 17:56

Those who think it’s cruel to crate overnight with door shut, do you know the hours and hours that a dog sleeps? Sometimes I have my dog on my bed - the odd night here and there where I just want to feel her presence in the night. Absolutely for my benefit. She curls up at the bottom of the bed say around 1030 pm and does not move until the morning. It’s not true that when in a deep contented sleep a dog keeps wanting to wander about. Or go out. At least, this is my experience. My dog sleeps content in her crate at night. Actually I’m working from home today and she’s in it now besides me, fast asleep (door open).

(And my dog doesn’t object to the crate nights after her duvet nights so no stress for her there)

TheLivelyCat · 02/09/2026 17:55

I don't have a crate but I use a large pen for my working type labrador puppy. It has her bed in it, and space where she can move away from it. To be honest over the summer holidays its been a invaluable with the DDs at home. Its kept her safe, allowed her to rest when tired but DDs playing, when i can't supervise both a puppy and children, ect, shes not in there 24/7, and I make sure her needs are met before she goes in, normally she will settle to sleep within a few minutes. I dont plan on using it long term.

Yabadabadooooooo · 02/09/2026 17:55

Didntask · 02/09/2026 17:39

DOGPROOF your house

Okay, noted.

So…..remove sofa, floors, skirting boards….

Some dogs chew. My friend left her 4 month old lab as she had to take her mum to hospital. Thought she has left him in the safest room possible. Returned two hours later to absolute carnage and a puppy who had managed to cut his mouth so badly on a nail in the skirting board he pulled off that he needed emergency vet treatment that was ongoing for weeks.

She soon changed her mind on crate training after that to keep her dog safe.

No amount of training will stop a puppy/dog chewing and you cannot be with them 24 hours a day.