AIBU to think parents should lose benefits /homes for persistently antisocial children?

I lived in a high rise for many years, it was decided it's easier to group the problem families together.

It was absolute hell, at times terrifying. My car was vandalised, I witnessed stabbings, they set fire to their own home etc.

I honestly don't give a shit about the whole demographic any more and I grew up there with a teenage mother.

Set them adrift for all I care as ong as they are away from me and mine.

Is it? Do you have a reference for that? People still murder each other in America where they could face the death penalty.

Do we really think that punishing the parents by removing income will solve the issue? Has any effort gone into understanding why the kids are behaving this way, and what support parents need to be able to get their kids to become upstanding members of society? Do we really think all these parents are just lazing around at home on the dole smoking fags not caring where their kids are, and by docking their benefits we will shock them into suddenly becoming excellent caregivers?

Are you sure about that? Which countries are we comparing? You think there is less abuse is SA for example than there is here? Or is it recorded differently?

Many years ago I worked in a housing office.

We had one spectacularly 'anti social' family but despite them being evicted several times and the kids never having been to school Social Services would not get involved.

Also they would never get involved with families threatened with eviction, they were notified and all we got was a standard letter saying 'please dont'

I'm sorry to say @ISpyNoPlumPie that is all bollocks.

What do you propose?

I'm off now but look forward to reading your suggestions later

It is a mix of teens where i live, some from council houses and benefits others from nice private estates they all hang around together on bikes with hoods up, what do you suggest happens there ? I don't disagree that parents need to be held responsible for their teenagers but making them homeless?

It will solve nothing. These kids either have parents who have lost control of them. Or the parents have their own issues such as drug and alcohol or serious mental health problems.
We know we can prevent some of these kids ending up like this through early intervention and good youth services

Yes historically, eugenics has been a brilliant idea hasn’t it…

Will it? How? And what if the punishment punishes everyone? Is it still worth it then? What if society suffers from more crime and anti-social behaviour?

There is a strong link between poverty and antisocial behaviour and crime in general. Poverty is not the cause of crime but instead it is strongly mediated by inequality in society. There is evidence to show that taking money or benefits away from people who engage in antisocial behaviour does nothing to affect rates of antisocial behaviour. So what is it that you really care about here? Just punishing people?

Yes, it is.

Furthermore, punishment isn't all about rehabilitation you know, some of it-and it should be larger than it is-is simply about being punished.

If the punishment is tough enough, you will find a miraculous rise in rehabilitation rates.

This 100pc
Prejudice of the extreme!
Can I ask OP where she proposes where the said parents would live and support their children.????
Naive and judgemental in the extreme

The worst behaved children in my village come from very wealthy families, surely you don't really think the government or LAs can just claim a property worth millions? WRT children in poverty, we know that poverty leads to worse outcomes. Taking away a parents ability to feed or home a child isn't going to improve behaviour. We need investment into schools, policing, youth projects, mental health support, the NHS and parenting support that doesn't ignore middle class neglect.

Is crime much better in countries with the death penalty or harsher punishments? What about in countries that publicly flog thieves or people who have sex outside of marriage? Does it stop those things happening?

Brilliant idea!

Quite simply, it comes from seeing decent law abiding people cowering on estates full of these little shits.

It comes from seeing teachers having nervous breakdowns because of these little shits.

It comes from seeing corner shops having to close because of these little shits.

It comes from nice kids being unable to use parks because of these little shits.

And a whole lot more.

I tell you what.

It will make them behave a whole lot better than arranging a game of ping pong in a community centre for them!

Anyway, what hyperbole...starve my arse. Will they not be able to afford a loaf of bread a day.

You are guilty of soft slope head thinking which is why we are ruled by anti social behaviour in many areas.

Punishment is meant to punish and when it doesn't, then it's not punishment is it?

Oh wow. So sort of like eugenics?

The worst behaved group of kids I have seen recently was at a party in the park for kids at the local ‘posh’ school (I heard the mums talking about school uniform shopping). They were 11-completely dreadful language and behaviour. I doubt any of those families claimed CB and all lived in huge owned houses. What’s their consequence?

There should be zero tolerance on crime. And an intelligence test on being able to parent

And maybe if parents picked better people to sleep with and use contraception more the endless cycle of incompetent parents may slow down

Where do people get role models on how to parent from the most?

Will they?

Where does it come from this hunger, this desire to see other people hurt and in pain? Other people like to inflict pain and you like to do the same back? Nice.

Moving on…Poverty and trauma are devastating. Why are some people allowed to engage in criminal activity because they have the money to not pay for their misdeeds? A fairer more equal society would help much more than this Daily Mail Reform reflex STOP THE BENEFITS bullshit. So tiring. I’m pretty sure the quiet majority are so sick of this nonsense.

"I favour Borstals run along the lines of the one in Scum and I don't care if they go from there to prison without having learned a thing and spend their lives there."

That is really shocking and awful thing to say. Fucking hell.

So you think starving people will make them behave??

I can guarantee that you would feel safer living amongst doctors and lawyers than homeless people, even though they can all be as dangerous as each other - but we know that desperate people often have to resort to criminal activity to survive.

The drug dealers in our street own their ex council house. I think the grotty parents bought it in the 90's.

OP why do you think there is a link between antisocial behaviour and council tenants?

Having a low income/education accounts for a lot of behaviour issues - so your idea to reduce the money even further is ridiculous and cruel and would ultimately only cause worse antisocial behaviour.

You need to ask yourself why these kids are hanging around the streets - why are they not at home, doing a club, experiencing new things and places etc

These are the most disadvantaged kids in the country and their parents were also disadvantaged and the cycle continues.

There are also a large number of ND families because it meant them not getting a good education, therefore not getting a good job and remaining in poverty.

It would be better for money to be put into the community and have things like youth clubs, sports clubs etc so these kids actually have something positive to do and can do better than their parents.