AIBU to think parents should lose benefits /homes for persistently antisocial children?

This, sexual abuse was known to be a problem in the old borstals. The staff would need to be highly motivated and trustworthy...

Yes, we definitely do need more physical presence. The paperwork issue needs to be fixed but not at the expense of that. It seems somewhat like the NHS, where we still have paper for a lot of stuff that other countries have online, and healthcare staff are bogged down in paperwork.

Ok.
And how does that work for people who own their own homes? Do you propose they are seized by the local authority?
And people not on benefits? Do you propose they have the equivalent benefit amount deducted from their wages?

But one of the main roles of the police is to prevent crime. More physical police presence in communities, regular patrols, etc, would go a long way to achieving that and would address the problem of feral youths.

I see what you mean but this is, as you say, partly to protect the police, not simply giving criminals more rights than victims.

It's very hard, as the police shouldn't be put in unnecessary danger but we do also need to catch the types.

It is big electric bikes here they race up and down the town centre, popping wheelies they are an absolute menace, the police are stuck between a rock&hard place.

One example is, police are rarely able to chase down the youths on electric scooters because it is deemed unsafe to chase them.

Car thief’s are often let go once they go into a residential area or the wrong way down the road etc.

I obviously understand this is for the publics safety but the criminals know exactly what is and isn’t allowed.

Peronally I would review social housing every 3 years, checking the people who are registered are actually the people living there, I would also check for complaints against the property for noise and anti social behaviour. Whether the whole property is occupied , and I would also check for complaints against the children in the house and the income of the adults ( to show they actually need subsidised housing). Using all these metrics the tenants could stay, or not depending on all these factors.
Obviously this would not remove the councils responsibility to house the tenants, but the possibility of being moved to B&B accomodation might improve behaviour, and the system would open up more housing for those in the most need.

Maybe a curfew?

more tagging? It is surely more cost effective to tag than anything else? Computers would do most of the work, and when an alarm goes off then the police could get involved and the strikes start to build up towards a greater penalty This would weed out the less persistent offenders, I reckon - those who are basically good kids from good homes, because their parents would enforce the tag and they themselves would want to play ball to get rid of it

Police and social services would then be able to concentrate on the little scrotes who don’t give a toss and just refuse to stay within the tag perimeter (home and school), whose parents either won’t or can’t control them.

Yes I would evict them and they would lose their right to be housed. They would have to rely on the private sector, or just be homeless.

I think WRT teen anti social behaviour having someone patrolling and getting to know the teens can really help. When I was a teenager there were always patrols passing through on evenings, whether you lived in a town or village. There was a presence that kept the teens in order and gave residents someone to approach should anything occur.

'there is no longer any respect for authority in our society and this has partly to do with status and pay. Police and teachers and social workers and anyone really are not just not respected, they are despised and treated badly and paid badly, which all fits together.'

• I think this is too pessimistic. There have always been gangs and crime in some areas, look at the East End of the Kray Twins era, or in the years before. The problem now is that there 's extra elements : zombie knives, drugs, online radicalisation...

There's not a lot of respect for the Police among many MN users who presumably are not all in council houses and on benefits (while I'm sure most council house tenants and benefits claimants are perfectly law abiding) so why would the criminally disposed behave better with hobbies on the beat?

Yeah it's definitely going to make out of control kids behave better if their parents live on the streets. Probably thieving and begging to get food or money. Sure, that will help. #AnyMoreGeniusIdeas?

Strict public boarding schools for the miscreant kids and foster care for the innocent kids? Since foster care places are so bountiful... and yeah residential care for kids without stable homes has a great track record (Barnardo's homes). And of course we know how much the public loves to plough taxpayer funding into public services, especially when the service might benefit miscreants. This is why our prisons are so well funded and have a great record for stopping re-offending. #Sarcasm

I wonder if social workers aren't respected because the public is told heavily how incompetent they are when they "should" be able to stop bad things happening, they let Baby P happen, etc. Why would you fund and promote the status of people vilified for not fixing enormous social problems?

Pffffffttt.

This is true but as some criminals lawyers point out, we also need more efficient police paperwork management. At the moment many cases fall through due to badly collated evidence. While it may be foolhardy, I do hope that maybe AI could help with the paperwork issue so the police can focus on physical policing.

I'm really sorry. 💐

This is key problem: grouping aggressive families together makes them worse, but non aggressive ones understandably don't want and shouldn't have to live near them.

How have we come to this ?

We got rid of local bobbies patrolling the streets. The current standard of policing in the UK leaves a lot to be desired.

'We place fair too many rights on the criminal / antisocial people to properly be able to enforce good behaviour.'

Can you expand on what you mean by this?

I don't think we have gone too far to restore. Imo the main issue is that we need to build more prisons. At the moment they are at breaking point so there is little room left. The one near me is housing hundreds more than it was built for.

Its a stupid idea. So, they already have chaotic lives snd you make them homeless with no money? How does that improve things?

I don't suppose I'm the first to point this out as I haven't RTFT.

This is awful, I'm really sorry. I'm not sure about the benefits measure though. This needs to be stopped somehow but it seems somewhat of a blunt instrument to punish parents who may not be responsible. Single women in particular may find it very hard to physically control aggressive teen boys no matter how much they might want to.

But clearly a lot of parents do NOT care, and they should be made to take the penalty.

They already steal.

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Cos you said it!!! Ok! You say eugenics is a brilliant idea. That’s an opinion, and one with a disgusting history so I’m not engaging with your opinions. You say countries with the death penalty have lower rates of criminal activity. That’s evidentially incorrect so no need to engage with your “facts” either.

I enjoy a debate. I enjoy a discussion of evidence. I like to keep an open mind. I see this is not what you are here for! Enjoy your rage ❤️

Irrespective of the demographic if hunts and their supporters were vile that would be a major improvement.

Not even remotely true that those who hunt are upper class but don't let facts get in the way!

They will steal.