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AIBU to feel angry about Notting Hill Carnival behaviour?

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ProudBlackMomma · 01/09/2026 10:41

Any other London folk mortified by the Notting Hill carnival? Hundreds of arrests, lewd behaviour, vulgarity and litter. It does not represent my culture. It’s an embarrassment.

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trumpredcard · 01/09/2026 14:51

"Many years ago there was a letter in The Guardian, and I’m talking about 40 years ago, from a woman who said that despite the multicultural origins that are claimed for it. She and her neighbours had lived in Powys Terrace and they started it for their children who had nothing to do over the summer. But I dare say she’s dead and nobody gives a shit now how or why it really started."

The history of NHC disagrees with you as the roots are imbedded in activism against racism rather than simply something to keep children occupied during the summer holidays.

Kelso Cochrane was a 32 year old, Antiguan born carpenter, and aspiring lawyer, living in Notting Hill at a time when racial tensions were high. He died after a racially motivated attack on Southam Street (off Golborne Road) Notting Hill on May 17th 1959 (today a blue plaque marks the spot). His murder had a huge impact on race relations. Reportedly, there were over 1,200 attendees at his funeral. Many of whom came to demonstrate solidarity and a show of defiance against racism locally.
Activism was stepped up to Whitehall when it was felt the investigation into the murder was complacent, and allegations of a police cover up began to circulate (the case is unsolved to date). Rab Butler, the then Home Secretary, made an appeal for witnesses in Parliament and went on to launch a public inquiry into race relations. Much activity to ease racial tension within the Notting Hill area preceded Cochrane's murder, leading to a children's street fayre organised by local resident and community activist, Rhaune Laslett.

Laslett is reported to have said of her community and her event "We felt that although West Indians, Africans, Irish and many others nationalities all live in a very congested area, there is very little communication between us. If we can infect them with a desire to participate, then this can only have good results." It was this small community children’s street fayre back in the mid 60s that would morph into what we now know as Notting Hill Carnival.

Claudia Jones, a Trinidadian human rights activist based in London, put on a BBC broadcasted indoor ‘Caribbean Carnival’ at St Pancras Town Hall back in 1959. She is widely credited with planting the seeds for Carnival in the UK by doing so.
An appetite for the indoor Caribbean carnival was fed by Trinidadian husband and wife booking agents Edric and Pearl Connor who along with many partners including the West Indian Gazette (which was founded by Claudia Jones) began promoting indoor events in halls dotted around 1960s London.

https://nhcarnival.org/experience/history

History - Notting Hill Carnival

Updates “If there weren’t race riots in Notting Hill I don’t believe that we would have had the Notting Hill Carnival. If it wasn’t for the murder of Kelso Cochrane, Carnival wouldn’t have happened.” The late Political Activist and Broadcaster, Darcus...

https://nhcarnival.org/experience/history

Noodledog · 01/09/2026 14:50

darkdaysareover · 01/09/2026 12:09

Have you actually ever walked around Notting hill?? If you think the 5 storey town houses are owned by us commoners then you’re deluded.

You obviously have no idea about London if you think anywhere in London, no matter how expensive, doesn't have a lot of social housing- just googled and in Notting Hill carnival area it's about 35%. So people imagining it's just posh white people whining are talking crap.

GoodkneeBadKnee · 01/09/2026 14:49

RisingSunn · 01/09/2026 14:22

Hmm your same the poster that created a post slating an African colleague about her views on supporting the England football team - and now Notting Hill Carnival…but of course… you claim to black yourself. 🙄

To answer your question it’s a bit too crowded for me - but the beautiful floats and costumes are amazing - along with the steel pans. It’s a wonderful celebration of Caribbean culture.
Though maybe getting to big for the narrow roads of Ladbroke Grove and Notting Hill.

Yeah, I've reported the OP, but MN admins aren't bothered

nomas · 01/09/2026 14:47

Backedoffhackedoff · 01/09/2026 14:40

local London taxpayers pay for it. Unless you pay a London borough council tax that’s not you

That poster is on a different thread amazed that fat people exist.

These posters seem to be ripe for a Venn diagram.

quantumbutterfly · 01/09/2026 14:45

Another2Cats · 01/09/2026 13:45

"But lets not allow the facts to get in the way of bigotry."

Yes, let's not.

Here is a statement from the Met police put out this morning. There were 443 arrests at the event and 193 arrests on the approaches to the event for a total of 636 arrests

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News — 1 September 2026 10:10

UPDATE: Notting Hill Carnival policing operation

Final update - Tuesday 1 September

The total number of arrests as part of the Notting Hill Carnival policing operation this year has been confirmed as 636.

242 arrests took place on Sunday and 394 on Monday.

193 arrests took place on the approaches to the event, with the remainder taking place within the event footprint.

Offences included possession and supply of drugs, assaults (including assaults on emergency workers), possession of weapons, sexual offences and public order offences.

The use of live facial recognition technology was expanded this year, leading to 214 alerts, 121 arrests and 86 registered sex offenders being stopped and spoken to. Seven registered sex offenders were found to be breaching their conditions or notification requirements and were arrested.

Stop and search was used extensively as part of the proactive policing approach. It resulted in 68 weapons, including a handgun, being found.

https://news.met.police.uk/news/met-sets-out-policing-plan-ahead-of-60th-annual-notting-hill-carnival-512269

Good way for the police to reach their quotas. If only they had something to do with them when/if convicted.

Rothburypixie · 01/09/2026 14:43

JustaDomperignon · 01/09/2026 14:40

The lucky tax payers! Wonderful to have to pay for a bunch of druggies and knife weilding lunatics to behave badly for a few days

Does tax not pay for the police whether there are carnivals or not? “Druggies and knife wielding lunatics” behave badly all the time and everywhere not just at NHC.

Backedoffhackedoff · 01/09/2026 14:40

Minasama · 01/09/2026 14:27

It’s terrible. I can’t believe we pay for this to happen every year. Imagine the outcry if we stopped it though.

local London taxpayers pay for it. Unless you pay a London borough council tax that’s not you

Minasama · 01/09/2026 14:40

MrsMitford3 · 01/09/2026 13:02

I think this really hits the nail on the head.

I wonder if they have looked at moving it to a more appropriate place?

As long as it doesn’t come to my neck
of the woods that sounds a great idea. I don’t see large numbers of the attendees travelling anywhere else though? It grew up
as a local street festival on people’s doorsteps, they surely aren’t going to want to schlep over to Gloucestershire (or even the former Olympic park, could that be a possibility?) and many won’t be able to afford to…

JustaDomperignon · 01/09/2026 14:40

dustabsorber · 01/09/2026 14:25

Who pays for the 7000 police?

The lucky tax payers! Wonderful to have to pay for a bunch of druggies and knife weilding lunatics to behave badly for a few days

OneLilacHedgehog · 01/09/2026 14:39

It's the same as any large event. I have never gone as I hate large crowds.

nomas · 01/09/2026 14:38

Another2Cats · 01/09/2026 14:35

Yes, but that was from something over 36 million people who attended football matches in one of the four leagues (or rather 36 million attendances at football matches, people generally go more than once per year).

Estimates say that around 2 million people attended the Notting Hill Carnival.

Yes but you also comparing ticketed football games with thousand of attendees and where everyone is corralled to an open event like a carnival with two millions attendees.

It’s not a like for like comparison.

BrummieKara · 01/09/2026 14:38

Another2Cats · 01/09/2026 12:52

It has been reported that there were 560 arrests this year. This is more than last year.

In contrast, last year at the Glastonbury Festival, with an attendance of around 210,000 people had 36 arrests.

Or the Download Festival which had around 95,000 people attend and there were 14 arrests.

There are obviously a lot more people in the Notting Hill area but even on a per capita basis there are many fewer arrests at Glastonbury or Download compared to Notting Hill.

About 2 million attend the carnival, so the rate is higher, but I wouldn't say spectacularly so. Having attended both it's also policed very differently to a field-based festival, particularly in regards to drugs (not a criticism of the police btw - it's just because it's a community site).

ProudBlackMomma · 01/09/2026 14:36

dustabsorber · 01/09/2026 13:12

What's weird is that lewd behaviour by leather clad gays at Pride are condemned on Mumsnet, but lewd sex acts at carnival not.

I’ll happily condemn both! Not my vibe. And I think it’s pretty reductive to assume that every Black person likes or approves of carnival. We’re not all the same believe it or not.

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RedToothBrush · 01/09/2026 14:35

The big thing about the Notting Hill Carnival is that it's

A) free to enter
B) in the middle of London
C) the sheer size of it

If any other big music festival was free and in London and this big, I can guarantee it would have similar issues.

Did you see the police photos of the drugs found at the Creamfields site?! The dealers bury them every year. Unsuccessfully.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mv0e9nm3mo

If it didn't have a ticketed entry system, what do we think would happen?

Large pile of black cannisters on a blue tarpaulin in a field with a spade next to it.

Drugs dug up at Creamfields site ahead of music festival

Police urge anyone who buried a rucksack or holdall to get in touch if they want it back.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mv0e9nm3mo

Another2Cats · 01/09/2026 14:35

nomas · 01/09/2026 13:50

There were 1,963 football related arrests in 2025-2026.

Yes, but that was from something over 36 million people who attended football matches in one of the four leagues (or rather 36 million attendances at football matches, people generally go more than once per year).

Estimates say that around 2 million people attended the Notting Hill Carnival.

Minasama · 01/09/2026 14:31

ColdAsAWitches · 01/09/2026 14:26

What a load of shit. Other people going to a party, for one weekend of the year, that you don't want to attend anyway, isn't imposing anything on you.

There you’re wrong. The cost is immense - I saw stats quoted that 7000 police officers are deployed each day, 2 police helicopters in constant use. Imagine the ambulance staff, medics etc.

It would be tough tits if an old man had a heart attack in another part of London.

It’s not my culture but I like the idea that we can embrace a different and vibrant culture. It’s sad it requires such resource to limit the numbers of people being injured and killed though. That is not a great mark of culture.

nomas · 01/09/2026 14:30

Whosthetabbynow · 01/09/2026 13:41

Oasis at Wembley last year wasn’t “horrendous”. In fact it was a perfect example of how kind and generous people can be to each other.

Do you think people at carnivals aren't kind?

RedToothBrush · 01/09/2026 14:30

Dappy777 · 01/09/2026 14:10

It means absolutely nothing to me. It isn’t my culture at all. My culture is Chaucer, Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Keats, Jane Austen, George Eliot, Dickens, Wilfred Owen, Virginia Woolf, Aldous Huxley, P G Wodehouse, Monty Python, Philip Larkin, etc.

The left have been doing all they can to IMPOSE a new identity on me, but I will fight them to my last breath. In 1997, a speechwriter for Blair said the plan was “to rub the right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.” And that is still the plan. But I will resist to the end. I don’t need or want a new culture. I’ve already got one.

Imagine if we had this mentality and didn't actually think what we were saying.

This poster wishes that rock and roll near touched the UK.
This poster wishes that the cultural dynamism of the 1960s never happened here.

And that we all still played harpsichords and pranced around in bustles and thicks tights.

They wish that we didn't have pizza and Indian takeaways. They want us to all just eat turnips.

Fortunately this isn't the case.

Minasama · 01/09/2026 14:27

It’s terrible. I can’t believe we pay for this to happen every year. Imagine the outcry if we stopped it though.

ColdAsAWitches · 01/09/2026 14:26

Dappy777 · 01/09/2026 14:10

It means absolutely nothing to me. It isn’t my culture at all. My culture is Chaucer, Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Keats, Jane Austen, George Eliot, Dickens, Wilfred Owen, Virginia Woolf, Aldous Huxley, P G Wodehouse, Monty Python, Philip Larkin, etc.

The left have been doing all they can to IMPOSE a new identity on me, but I will fight them to my last breath. In 1997, a speechwriter for Blair said the plan was “to rub the right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.” And that is still the plan. But I will resist to the end. I don’t need or want a new culture. I’ve already got one.

What a load of shit. Other people going to a party, for one weekend of the year, that you don't want to attend anyway, isn't imposing anything on you.

dustabsorber · 01/09/2026 14:25

Who pays for the 7000 police?

TemperanceWest · 01/09/2026 14:23

dustabsorber · 01/09/2026 14:17

Or go in someone's basement.

Nope. Never did that. Nor did any of my friends.

RisingSunn · 01/09/2026 14:22

Hmm your same the poster that created a post slating an African colleague about her views on supporting the England football team - and now Notting Hill Carnival…but of course… you claim to black yourself. 🙄

To answer your question it’s a bit too crowded for me - but the beautiful floats and costumes are amazing - along with the steel pans. It’s a wonderful celebration of Caribbean culture.
Though maybe getting to big for the narrow roads of Ladbroke Grove and Notting Hill.

Another2Cats · 01/09/2026 14:20

TheOnlyWayIsIlford · 01/09/2026 13:40

Is there a way to reduce Anti social behavior and crime without stopping it altogether?

Of the arrests this year nearly 200 were people who were arrested BEFORE they even got to Carnival or had committed a crime - people identified as troublemakers using facial recognition before they even got there. Not people who were arrested for crimes actually at Carnival - but are included in the numbers.

The police also used to put orders on gang members on Brixton preventing them from travelling on Carnival weekend.

And - there really wasn't that much crime this weekend, given the numbers and that it is a free unticketed event,

It is just ongoing cant and stereotype fuelling the outrage.

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"Of the arrests this year nearly 200 were people who were arrested BEFORE they even got to Carnival or had committed a crime - people identified as troublemakers using facial recognition before they even got there. Not people who were arrested for crimes actually at Carnival - but are included in the numbers."

I think that you are mixing up a couple of different things here. There were a total of 636 arrests.

The Met police say that 193 people were arrested "on the approaches to the event, with the remainder taking place within the event footprint."

So the remaining 443 arrests were within the "event footprint"

I would take that to mean that those 193 people were walking towards the carnival route but had not reached it yet.

"...BEFORE they even got to Carnival or had committed a crime"

[emphasis added]

This is where you are getting mixed up.

Separately, the police said that there were 121 arrests made based on the use of facial recognition.

These are not, as you say, "people identified as troublemakers" or who had not committed a crime. The people they are searching for are typically people who have active warrants for their arrest or people that they are searching for who are suspected of having committed a crime.

So, out of the total of 636 arrests there were 121 arrests of people that the police were actively looking for because they had already committed a crime. The other 515 arrests were of people that committed an offence on the day.

AlphabetBird · 01/09/2026 14:19

Dappy777 · 01/09/2026 14:10

It means absolutely nothing to me. It isn’t my culture at all. My culture is Chaucer, Shakespeare, Wordsworth, Keats, Jane Austen, George Eliot, Dickens, Wilfred Owen, Virginia Woolf, Aldous Huxley, P G Wodehouse, Monty Python, Philip Larkin, etc.

The left have been doing all they can to IMPOSE a new identity on me, but I will fight them to my last breath. In 1997, a speechwriter for Blair said the plan was “to rub the right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.” And that is still the plan. But I will resist to the end. I don’t need or want a new culture. I’ve already got one.

This is super weird. If it means nothing to you that’s great, don’t go.

Stay home and enjoy Chaucer and Monty python. Or even better, start your own festival .