Where are all of the Labour voters in real life?!

Agree. Usually it’s posters wanting someone else to pay more tax anyway.

I think the idea that people are happy to pay more tax to support those less fortunate is purely a MN thing, I don’t know anyone who really believes that.

I grew up on an East London council estate. Single parent household. Mum never voted in her life. I didn't go to uni, as back then the path was leave school, get a job. So that's what I did. Civil service in various roles. Met DH moved to SE London. Had kids, but married (I'm that order(. Both DC sent to uni, and both are in professional roles. We're all Labour voters in the main. Sometimes vote Lib Dem, never ever Tory. I don't know how my friends vote because it's a subject I actively avoid. My feeling is, that they're mainly right leaning.

I'm surprised you've never met anyone racist.
I know quite a few, in my extended family and acquaintances rather than friends.

Do you think that people who have experienced racism haven't really experienced it or that it just happens outside of all the people you know?

And I don't just call people racist for opposing mass immigration.
I also don't think I know anyone who thinks general mass immigration is a good thing. I do support asylum seeking and skilled immigration.

Are there many Labour voters in London? I was born in London. I grew up voting Labour. I no longer vote Labour and I no longer live in
London. I would say these two facts are connected.

I now live in a rural area and considerations and experiences are different. No one where I live votes labour.

My old neighbour who I used to call ‘my favourite old socialist’, to his face, mind, used to vote labour. He doesn’t anymore. He votes Reform, I don’t. He is now my favourite ‘anti irregular migrant Reform protest voter’. we like to have a chat about politics when we can.

I live amongst an older population, at 59 I one of the youngest, the elderly are still having seasonal COVID vaccinations. My DH has them because he is older than me and has a health condition which makes him vulnerable. They still queue up when called to have them. And they are offered across the county, so little Covid vaccine Government conspiracy here, I think.

Most of the nurses I met were reluctant or actual refuseniks for flu vaccines.

I grew up on a council estate where the majority of people had morals and values and worked hard and so on. Unfortunately a lot of that has been eroded over the years. Manners and a sense of community doesn’t seem to exist , it’s all ‘ I’m ok Jack ‘ with so many people. Politicans have never really listened to what people want though.
All this building going on worries me too. It all feels as if things are slowly getting worse and nobody seems to know what to do.

Depends on where you live because I know loads of people who didn’t have the vaccine and even more who had it and regret it now. Immigration is also a hot topic and I’ve never heard anyone here saying they agree with what’s happening now with people arriving on small boats.

It probably depends where you are op. There’s a few topics you’ve raised and some people will still believe that’s the way to go.

There were different types of Covid vaccine and the mRNA vaccines are now being developed into specific cancer treatments with lots of promise.
The vaccines at the time were to stem the overwhelm and get back to real life asap on a population level.
If you mean that medics don’t believe they work in any long term way for individual healthy patients or kids that is an entirely different matter. We know that. Treating on a population level in a pandemic is an entirely separate matter.

And of course most of the population is in the centre somewhere - that is why we keep getting the eternal Tory Labour flip flop.
The current captured ideologies that the press keep harping on about are neither here nor there. At a fundamental level, most people operate on a common sense basis which is somewhere in the centre. But it will adapt according to economic circumstances and world events and the party that seems to be the most competent prima facie at handling it will typically win. Just like the legal system keeps evolving and laws keep changing. Remember a time when women did not get to vote and being homosexual was illegal and so was abortion? Things change, people change, laws change.

And whilst we are at it - no AI is not going to take over the world. AI is not going to be making the laws in Parliament, sitting on a jury or being a judge! It is literally just a short cut tool - which if used rightly, makes people smarter not less smart.

Millions want to come here because, despite all our problems, here is better than there, probably by a long way. If we opened up safe routes, we couldn't take them all and so many would still come via unsafe routes.

I was uncomfortable about Badenoch and Jenrick. I am very pleased to see Tugendhat in Cabinet and in the Foreign Officer. In my view he was the best candidate at the time and may yet take the Conservative Party into the next election.

Having said that, Badenoch has done a better job than I expected.

A few people have very strong views on vaccines and especially the Covid one. It is as decisive as most topics are these days.

Most people aren't far right or far left.Most people are centre and slightly leaning to left or right.

Most people vote Tory but they don't tell people because they get torrents of abuse and I don't know why recently, it's acceptable to criticise or abuse people who don't share the same beliefs as you. People certainly didn't do this even twenty years ago.

Given that, in the last century, labour has been in power for only about a third of that and ten of those years were Blair, Labour is a very weak opposition and most people do consistently vote Tory.

I know a lot of left wing people. Not all Labour voters though but mostly leftwing. I know people who have fallen for the reform rubbish too unfortunately, which I never understand because it's an extremely white community(very rural). There is quite a green contingent(including people who go to the palestine protests). Many welsh nationalists too. There are not many jobs though due the location. So whenever I hear people going on about disability benefits. I think good luck finding them a job.

What you've highlighted is a great example of how its sort of understandable how some people end up thinking 'everyone is talking about xxx' or 'everyone thinks xxx and we arent being listened to' because they just through a combo of circumstances dont meet any or enough people of opposing viewpoints to understand how big the support for the opposing viewpoint is!
I've had a much more balanced experience than yourself, so i feel quite lucky in that respect - i think its great you've been able to recognise you've managed to find yourself in a bit of an echchamber as many dont and its where problems can stew! Especially combined with people not understanding how social media/internet algorithms work and therefore not understanding that we aren't all being fed the same types of content online and what might seem the biggest issue in the world on their homepage isnt even represented on other people's.

I too live in Makerfield and not come across anyone who voted for Burnham. Very odd that, don't you think?

What you've highlighted is a great example of how its sort of understandable how some people end up thinking 'everyone is talking about xxx' or 'everyone thinks xxx and we arent being listened to' because they just through a combo of circumstances dont meet any or enough people of opposing viewpoints to understand how big the support for the opposing viewpoint is!
I've had a much more balanced experience than yourself, so i feel quite lucky in that respect - i think its great you've been able to recognise you've managed to find yourself in a bit of an echchamber as many dont and its where problems can stew! Especially combined with people not understanding how social media/internet algorithms work and therefore not understanding that we aren't all being fed the same types of content online and what might seem the biggest issue in the world on their homepage isnt even represented on other people's.

I’m politically homeless. They are all dreadful and the country is in decline.

I would class myself as left behind , I think we are in a permanent decline .

Labour didn't get in because people voted for Labour, they got in because people didn't want the Conservatives any more (and I can't blame them after Boris).

Lolz you must live in a bubble op

cus I’ve rarely met anyone who thinks that about covid vaccine and most people I know aren’t blaming the immigrants for our problems - we blame the rich

my borough has always been labour - until this year we voted green in local elections.

I live in a Labour constituency, they’ve never lost their seat here. When we had the Senedd elections in May it was the first time Labour lost but the results were split between Plaid Cymru and Reform so we’ve ended up with Senedd members that are opposite ends of the spectrum. I think our Labour MP will also lose his seat when we have the next general election although voting is normally different because Plaid doesn’t do very well in a general election so those people may vote Labour again.