AIBU to be deeply concerned about the sheer number of unchecked undocumented unknown men coming into the UK?

How do these people get 'checked' as they come in? If they claim to come from Eritrea or Sudan how is that 'checked' by UK BF? Do they have access to systems in those countries so we can 'check' they aren't rapists or murderers?

The OP has not started a nuanced discussion. The veil of "deep concern" is just too transparent.

Yes, yes, yes. You're merely a concerned citizen. Absolutely.

Your anger needs to be directed at the traffickers who sell these people a dream and make it seem that they can come here and set up a life for their families to safely come over.

Multiple people die on these journeys every time.
Even those who survive are usually severely dehydrated and have infections.
Women and children are less likely to do these journeys because they are the ones most likely to die.

I don’t think anyone should go to any country undocumented and we cannot take in millions of immigrants now we have left the EU and less people can emigrate.

However, it’s not the desperate people risking their lives on boats to provide for their women and children back home that I feel any anger towards.

We cremate bodies in this country every day so I don’t get the faux concern when you’re obviously not that upset about it.

When we know for a fact that there are murderers of women on the boat, then no, they should not be allowed into the country and given freedom. They should all be held until the perpetrators can be identified and if they cannot be identified, we should continue to hold them in custody and returned them all. Are you content to have murderers enter Britain?

How can they be put in a prison if they’re not allowed to enter the country? Is it a prison built in the sea? Is the idea to imprison everyone without a court case / trial in this sea prison?

But there are murderers among these men. We know that. Burning two women to death and stabbing another is not the action of peaceful, law-abiding men. In my opinion, these men should not be free to enter our society given that knowledge. They should be held in custody and returned to their countries of origin unless the perpetrators can be identified through investigation. And, yes, that will be punishing innocent people too but in the interests of our safety, that is an unfortunate consequence to ensure the murderers don’t freely enter our society.

What has OP said that is racist? Are you not concerned about the two women burned on the boat and the other one stabbed? I would not be surprised if they were turned upon for witchcraft when the boat got into trouble. Do you believe it is right that the authorities allow the others on the boat, with the murderers among them, into the country in these circumstances?

When you say “why are they allowed to enter the UK in the first place” can you describe your solution? Should they be shot on sight in the sea, so they’re not allowed to come on shore? A giant sea wall built to prevent boats coming ashore?

When they come ashore they’re immediately documented and processed so your title doesn’t make sense.

They’re given somewhere to stay and a minimal stipend, but Reform appear to want to deny them this which would ironically leave them roaming the uk, with no funds, meaning they’d be sleeping on the streets and have to steal food to stay alive.

Numbers have massively dropped over the last year so the current government policy appears to be working, but I’d love to hear your ideas to improve on this.

Have you got nothing better to do on a Sunday morning OP? Sit in the garden, Take the dog out. Head to the shops. Anything other than this desperate, endless pot stirring.

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good bit of scaremongering!

It’s a bloody joke and they don’t even know the true numbers…. It’s very scary as British will be a minority at this rate….

You do know the numbers have dropped significantly over the last few years don't you?

There's a point at which the word 'concerned' is a tad inaccurate. Perhaps replace with 'obsessed' instead? If nothing else, it would lend a bit of variety. . .

YABU to post yet another post when we all know what’s going on. There is no easily solution because of brexit, France used to have a duty to try and stop them but now they’re not.

Well it was his own party that forced him out, so not sure why you are sneering at ‘the right wing’.

Absolutely ridiculous response.

No it’s not particularly nuanced in this instance but it is in many other threads on here and you still have people attempting to shut it down as ‘racist’. I read a really long thread on this the other day and peppered all through the interesting discussion were the ‘racist’ crew. Then we wonder why we are pushing people who would have been Labour’s key voters over to extremist parties. None so blind as those who will not see, etc. We need to have these discussions precisely to prevent racism.

One hundred percent this! If you voted for Brexit you caused this, and the man who sold you Brexit is one of the main culprits despite claiming he'll be the one to fix the problems. It's almost as though he wanted it to happen. And he can't claim he would have done Brexit differently, because he stood down all his Brexit Party candidates in Tory constituencies to allow the Tories to win which suggests he tacitly approved of Boris' plan.

We were warned that leaving the EU would lead to us leaving the Dublin agreement, which allowed us to return anyone who arrived on a small boat immediately.

I'm genuinely sick to the back teeth of the clowns who've voted for all this shit being the biggest whingers about it. They have zero ability to self reflect and see that by voting Tory, voting for Brexit, voting for Boris that they led us to exactly where we are. And now they'll vote Reform or Restore to fuck the country up even more!

And no, I do not support small boats or endless immigration. It needs to stop.

If you look at Starmers legacy, he really tightened up immigration policy. He reduced student visas, he made changes to ILR, stopped anyone who was trafficked here from gaining British citizenship and massively reduced small boats crossing. Unfortunately the right wing are too stupid to recognise this.

Don’t be so ridiculous. Fortunately the days of the left shutting down any unease and concern about the huge numbers of people, particularly men, who have no desire to integrate and whose cultures are incompatible with Western values are over.

And you think this thread is the start of a sensible nuanced discussion?

You'd describe the OP as nuanced?

This is exactly the narrative that has pushed so many Labour voters away (and Keir recognised it too late). You can’t have any kind of discussion around immigration, no matter how nuanced, without it being branded racism. It’s a way to shut down a conversation. Reminds me of the whole TERF and transphobia thing too. You can’t have a nuanced discussion about that either.

Of course we should be talking about young men from countries with appalling cultural attitudes to women’s and safety in particular coming over to the UK (or anywhere) and being free to move around our communities. It’s foolish not to recognise that there will be issues integrating single young men from places where violence (especially sexual violence) against women is commonplace and culturally acceptable in a way it isn’t here, no matter how much people like to claim that being a woman in Britain is just as bad as being a woman in Afghanistan or Eritrea or Somalia.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t accept them, of course we have a duty to accept asylum seekers, but we can’t shut our eyes and put our fingers in our ears about some of the more valid concerns.

Illogical

people on the boats get checked and documented as they come in - yet somehow you link this to unknown men roaming free ?

to smash the gangs remove the demand and start paying welfare to all poor people all around the world. Make sure everyone worldwide has food, healthcare and safety and opportunities for betterment

whilst one man is in abject poverty and another living a life of riches based on place of birth you will always have this. If you can’t see this - if you can’t see how this has played out time and again since Neolithic times i pity you