Irish Passports?

This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Giving citizenship rights to grandchildren is creepy and racist?
No, the British way of doing something is not the correct way other than in the UK, shockingly.

You’ve got a bit of a strange attitude. Maybe that’s why the family members you disapprove of aren’t really involved with you? Their heritage is their heritage though and you making cat’s arse face about which passport they hold won’t change that fact.

Im half Irish. Move on ✋️

Stop being so bitter and twisted
Is there a limited number of Irish passports or something?
Are they stopping you getting yours?
Is there a I'm the most Irish competition and you feel threatened?

Respectfully, you're the one who is sounding eugenicist. Also, you clearly have no knowledge of how seriously Ireland takes its diaspora, given that colonial policies caused a major humanitarian disaster that saw over a million die and 2 million forced to emigrate between 1845 and 1855, and the economic fallout from that lasted until decades after independence. When large percentages of your country's population has historically found itself forced to emigrate, then obviously those people and their descendants are of concern.

To be fair this has historically worked both ways, with some Irish people with a strong dislike of anything British happy enough to take advantage of legal entitlements to access British advantages (the NHS would be a good example, or what was once the more vibrant British economy).

Thankfully British people are allowed to claim their Irish nationality (and your son in law is legally no less Irish than you are) despite their contempt for Ireland just the same as Irish people are allowed to work in the UK. If access to these rights depended on political beliefs we'd be in a darker place.

I'm Irish, live in Ireland and have both British and Irish passports. My adult children, born in America, also have US ones. I never gave it a thought - I don't make the rules - but there's one thing that really grinds my gears. I have one English son-in-law who has never had a civil word to say about Ireland and the Irish. He actually sat in my house making supercilious remarks about provinicials and their their perceived shortcomings. I didn't miss him and hit the wall (figuratively!) and he never got the chance to do it again. Now, because his children have Irish passports, he's falling over himself to try and claim Irish citizenship, citing a grandmother he kept schtum about hitherto. He has often said how he could never live in this benighted place (he's from Birmingham ffs!) and yet he's making strenuous efforts to get an Irish passport and wondering why he isn't receiving a rapturous welcome. Now I've vented about it here, I'm starting to appreciate the irony a bit more

What?

You may jest but boy, you should have seen Irish before it was simplified in the 1950s. For every ‘dhbh’ or ‘mh’ now, there'd have been double those consonants then.
It’s a wonder anyone ever got a letter posted off in time 🤣

I think the Irish government feels a duty to the Irish diaspora. Many Irish people in the past were forced to leave their homes because of desperate circumstances and that hasn’t been forgotten. Emigration has long been a huge thing in Ireland. We are only recently a rich country.

That must be news to Raheem Sterling, Mo Farah and Marc Guehi, then.

The Irish system always struck me as a little creepy (and racist).
Its operates a kind of mythological/eugenics-y thinking.
Whereas the British system correctly assumes that it doesnt matter how white you are: if you were born to a Brit who themselves was not born in Britain, theres nothing British about you.

Hmmm interesting topic. I have always wondered why some Irish people get so annoyed at Americans and the like claiming they are Irish. Doesn't bother me at all. The more the merrier I say. And as for passports the government sets the rules and if you are entitled you are entitled.

My English born cousins definitely think they have strong Irish connections and I am not sure if they have Irish passports but if they do they are entitled to them.

I am Irish born and emigrated - like so many Irish people. My DC all have Irish passports.

DH has Irish dad so he and DC have one. We’ve been on holiday and visited family but will never live in Ireland, the passport makes things easier for the DC and for travel as well.

@Dontknowwhocanhelp Pronouciation varies across Ireland based on dialect too, never mind talking at the speed of lightning 😂

Yes, both Mhairi's are Scots with one Irish parent. One of the Irish V sounds has Var-ee and their (non Irish) surname also has a W pronounced V in it. She's not passive aggressive about her name being mispronouced at all and has given her daughter a lifetime of correcting both her names 😅

Yes and yes. I have an Irish parent, passport pre-dated Brexit. I don't blame remainer Brits for using any entitlement to an EU passport they have, it's perfectly legal for them to do so.

ETA - I would side-eye 'leavers' or leave-supporters who have used the scheme though

Im British but entitled to an Irish passport through my grandmother. I’ve been very tempted to get one to avoid the Brexit shitshow when travelling but haven’t bothered because the kids and DP couldn’t get one. I’ve been to Ireland many times.

As for your feelings about it I partly think “so what?” It’s no skin off your nose.

But I do know what you mean. I know someone who’s a professional Irishman despite both him and his Parents being born in England. It’s deeply tedious.

No I didn’t miss the fact you were Irish. That’s why I was so surprised at the mistakes. I know I was being picky, and sorry about that, but I think it’s important to get the right info on here as it’s primarily a UK site. There’s enough confusion surrounding Irish names as there is 😅

Loads of Irish people in Ireland don’t get the Irish sounds right all the time or even most of the time, and use anglicised approximations instead. I include myself in this btw!
Caoimhe is a name where this happens a lot. Unfortunately Irish is taught badly in schools a lot of the time.

Is Mhairi from the Scottish side of your famiy? I’ve never heard it used in Ireland.

It’s the government who decide who can apply for one, though. You’re angry at the wrong people.

I do have one, my dad and my husband are Irish. We visit probably 2-3 times a year. My husband would move back in a heartbeat.

My sister has one and hasn’t visited in 20 years.

We’re both still entitled to it!

All I'll say is that I'm 25 my parents voted for Brexit because take back control. I was only 15 when the vote happened and I fell for the whole take back control. I didn't fully appreciate what a joy free movement actually was. I actually love the EU

@SomersetBrie Worse are the ones who outright admitted they were going to do so based on Irish grandparents to maintain their free movement and free EHIC after Brexit but their own children couldn't do the same.

I'm Irish in the UK with an Irish passport.

My only bugbear is people who voted for Brexit who are digging out their Irish ancestry to get an EU passport.
I know they are just as entitled as anyone else but it still annoys me.

Yes they were typos (and an unwillingness of my auto correct to accept such names) as I was typing and walking dogs on leads and my post disappeared twice as I was typing (laziness not applying the acute accents on 3rd attempt), my entire family pronounces my cousin's name as Kwee-Va not vuh with the Kwee sounding like Queen.

Sir-sha was two typos in fact (Saoirse) but I know people who are Sir, Sor and Seer Sha.

Only used those examples as they are names of family members so I can spell all of them correctly. Including recently added Áine with only 1 n and the Gaeilge version of our very Irish family surname (sans O') as a middle name.

We also have a couple of Mhairis, one is Var one is Mar.

Did you miss the fact I am actually Irish or just needed to correct my spelling?

Sláinte

N.B. Thanks to browser constantly refreshing for some ungodly reason this took 5 attempts to post so any typos now are pure frustration.

Why is it ironic?

I plan to claim my Irish passport as is my right as the child of an Irish person. I didn't visit often as a child because we couldn't afford many holidays abroad and my grandparents were either dead or had moved to UK. The only relative over there was my mum's cousin who is now dead.

If it was someone from say, Nigeria who was born in the UK and had only visited the country a few times but still wanted a Nigerian passport would you have the same issue?