AIBU to want to leave our unlicensed rental before tensions worsen?

Yes I had a quick look and seemed very much like it wouldn’t be a big issue for him to hold his hands up and comply. They’d look at overall picture. House is in good repair condition, below market rent, helping a family member out. He’s not some slum landlord of many properties.
https://rentsmart.gov.wales/en/enforcement/#notcomplied
It sounds like you live in a small place. Dh doesn’t speak to his dad. Realistically no relatives will ever help you again if you stop this man moving back into his own house, stopping him seeing his children properly. He’s done you a big favour.
You mention DSA. If you have a child with a disability see if any support groups for parents could help advise you.

I’ve just googled and looks like your LL can register now, pay a £150 and that should be it, especially given it’s a first offence etc.

he only can’t evict whilst unregistered.

so sorry OP, looks like your faux sympathy fir your relative is misplaced.

I was thinking this.

If the council tax has been in the LL's name all this time, and he hasn't changed his address on things like his driving licence, that might well work. OP's family would then be like paying guests or lodgers and most of the LL legal responsibilities wouldn't apply.

Many English councils would be happy for the OP to rock up with a letter from the LL saying that the "lodger" arrangement can no longer apply and that they need to find somewhere else in the next 28 days. Hopefully, Welsh councils would take a similar line.

It's bloody rare for me to be on the side of the LL in most matters, I've had to deal with too many bad 'uns over the years as part of my job, but this guy sounds thoroughly decent and it would be awful if he ended up being fucked over after keeping a roof over OP's family's head all this time.

If he can’t get you out of the house and he is already renting to you illegally I would be very concerned that he would just think fuck it and come around when you’re out and put your stuff out on the street and change the locks if I’m honest.

The council won’t look at any of that, but the tribunal who looks at the tribunal might.

They rent the house that the DH won’t even bother to view!

That’s why I started with the comment “if you are in a position to”’

He did you a favour and now your DH wants to make him homeless? He does realise that you won’t get to keep the house right. You’ll all be homeless

@Tiredboymum22 you say you want to give him his house back but your comments read luke you’re justifying why you would not give it to him easily.
No good deed goes unpunished indeed.
Please leave his house so he can live there with his children. You know you staying in his house with your family is not right. Your DH sounds really horrible tbh. He should provide a home for his family in a decent way. He’s been paying below market rate for two years and has the cheek to want to stay there until you’re evicted
The guy was very naive, probably did that our if love for your relative.

Id be very wary of a man so willing to screw over someone who has been pretty good to you all. Its really snidey and low behaviour, id be looking at him very differently after this.

Assuming he made out he's still living there (is he paying council tax?) He could do the lodger thing.
However he could just approach Rent Smart Wales and fess up. They might give a penalty but its unlikely they would prosecute if he approaches them first. I report unregistered rentals all the time in Wales, they usually get a letter and nothing worse.

Also, your DH needs to realise that with one of you on an IVA and the other (or both) on UC, you don't get the luxury of choice when it comes to the private rental sector. Even with a guarantor landlords are going to favour tenants with a better credit history - professional couples with no DC are often asked for guarantors these days - and it's no longer legal to take payment upfront for rent.

There are social homes that are already overcrowded, so moving back in with family and asking to be placed on a high priority band because of this may not work. You need to speak to someone who can advise you on your application and what you need to demonstrate any needs your DC have that may make a difference.

Why can’t you just say you were staying with a family member this period?

then he won’t be in bother and you apply for what you want

OP, don’t show your husband this thread 🙄unless you want an argument with him. No idea why people suggest this, if someone isn’t going to listen to their spouse’s point of view why on earth would they listen to the views of people on Mumsnet?

It's not just the tax - no proper checks, no deposit protection and a ton of other things which he could now get very heavily fined for even if he was a decent landlord who kept the place in good order. This was really foolish on his part, as is demonstrated by the situation the DH could end up putting him in.

Being a landlord is running a business, whether you are undercharging or not. Part of running a business is knowing your legal obligations before you go in. That's why councils aren't lenient about this kind of thing, because it's on you to absolutely know what you are doing.

What do you suggest they do

Your DH @Tiredboymum22 is a nasty piece of work. He has an IVA and you have poor credit yet he would rather inconvenience your relative as he doesn't want to live somewhere less smart. What is he proposing then?

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How well do you know him Op? I’d suspect one way people he knows will tell him to sort this is to come round with his mates/dad/work mates and ‘strongly suggest’ you leave his house.

Your dh is a nasty piece of work. It sounds like your landlord was giving you below market rent as a family favour, he didn’t understand all the regulations as this is his first rental and he’s young but he kept the place in good nick etc.
what else does your dh want exactly? Hope nobody ever does him a favour again in his life. Horrid man

He was a fool, should’ve charged them proper market rent and just used the extra to pay the tax.

Funny that now the DH is Mr Moral about the tax, but I bet he knew all along and it was fine because he was benefitting! User!

I know nothing about renting in Wales but a system that doesn’t even give the opportunity for a landlord to say that he realise he has gone wrong, and that he must face penalties, etc, but doesn’t allow him to put things right for the future seems draconian.
Is that the case, or is he not trying to put things right due to possible fines?
All the while this goes on the landlord is getting in worse financial trouble, especially if there is the chance that he has to repay rent. He needs to take whatever action he can to bring the situation to an end. That may be letting the mortgage company repossess if things get that bad.
It doesn’t sound like anyone is going to come out of this situation as a winner.
I know your relative has done wrong, but I couldn’t live with your DH after his comment. I don’t support tax evasion either but someone treating a person, who has tried to help him, so badly is not in a position to take the moral high ground.

So he rented the place to you cheap, but could’ve charged you market rate and paid the tax with the additional money.

You’ve got poor credit and your DH has an IVA, but suddenly he’s Mr Moral about the tax!

You’re a nightmare tenant, this guy was a fool to get involved and be kind to you!

Honestly, he’s taken all the risk and your DH is a total
user and hope he comes unstuck!