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AIBU to think people are less sociable and friendly nowadays?

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HotPatoot · 29/08/2026 09:44

I’ve always been a very sociable person and this worked well for me as a child through to university. I made friends everywhere I went as a child, invaluable on family holidays, starting new hobbies etc.
as I’ve got older I’m finding it near on impossible to communicate with people, everyone is so closed in their own world.

a few examples - I started a new job just after Christmas. On my break on first day I went into staff room and saw a colleague sat there on her phone so I walked over all cheerful and said “hi, I’m Patoot, it’s my first day!”. She glanced up from her phone, gave a fake smile and said “ok, hi?” ??? I followed up with “what’s your name?” So she said “Sheila”. I asked how long she’d worked there at which point she looked visibly annoyed and said “sorry i need to reply to this message” and started typing away on her phone. I made myself a cuppa and then went to sit again at her table at which point she gathered her stuff and left!!

another example - I joined a new fitness class. Before the class started I saw a woman sat on her own and went across to say hello. She smiled and told me her name so I asked if she’d done this class before and she said she had. I asked what it was like and she looked annoyed and said “it’s a fitness class?” And shrugged. I asked if she does any other classes and she got her phone out and just ignored me from then on.

example from this morning! I got on the bus, there was a woman sitting alone so I sat next to her and cheerfully commented on the traffic. She smiled, nodded and then fixed her eyes on the window away from me.

what is wrong with people these days?? AIBU to think the UK has got much less friendly or do people just become less sociable as they age??

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TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 31/08/2026 20:05

Katypp · 29/08/2026 10:02

I think these responses kind of prove your point. OP.
We've spend that last 30+ years drumming into children that their feelings, wants and needs override everyone else's and the somewhat predictable result is that people no longer have any remorse about being rude and feel perfectly fine about blanking people because THEY don't want to talk.
I think it's tremendously sad and illustrates a breakdown in society. But you are unlikely to get any sympathy here, where it's all about boundaries and not owing anyone even a smile.

But please tell me why one person's need to have peace to themselves is more or less important than someone else's need for conversation?

I was talking to my son in the shop today, and a woman piped up when we said we couldn't find something. I chatted back a little, but she plainly wanted to more chat that I didn't have time for. I closed it down with a friendly comment and a smile.

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 19:59

SouthLondonMum22 · 31/08/2026 19:36

and it could also be true of anyone that there's a very good reason why they don't fancy a chat on the bus or at fitness class. Maybe they have just lost a family member, maybe it is the only bit of peace they will get all day etc it goes both ways.

And maybe the person who wants to chat has the same stuff going on and a Simple human interaction is what they need to soothe them? Maybe they are lonely? Depressed? Isolated? Maybe they’ve just lost someone they miss? Maybe it’ll be the only interaction they get all week. But no, the understanding only ever goes one way on mn. The introvert’s right to be left alone absolutely trumps everything, including politeness

Anarchy99 · 31/08/2026 19:38

SouthLondonMum22 · 31/08/2026 19:36

and it could also be true of anyone that there's a very good reason why they don't fancy a chat on the bus or at fitness class. Maybe they have just lost a family member, maybe it is the only bit of peace they will get all day etc it goes both ways.

Exactly, and maybe they don’t want to get harassed by someone who clearly isn’t capable of understanding social cues!

Yes how ironic that the OP posted something goady and then disappeared

SouthLondonMum22 · 31/08/2026 19:36

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 10:53

society functions much better as a whole where people exchange small and meaningless acts of politeness and social exchange.

Holding a door open and saying Thank you in return. Letting someone go before you in a shop. Exchanging a pleasantry about the weather, or the length of the queue. Smiling at someone or saying good morning.

in none of the OP’s examples was she asking anyone to divulge their medical history or discuss Plato. Just a simple social interaction.

so no I don’t think your entitlement to your right to be unsociable trumps the perfectly normal interactions that used to make the world a much more pleasant place to live.

When I was a teenager my mom told me to always be polite and chatty with older people as I might be the only person they chat to today. That could be true of anyone, not just older people.

and it could also be true of anyone that there's a very good reason why they don't fancy a chat on the bus or at fitness class. Maybe they have just lost a family member, maybe it is the only bit of peace they will get all day etc it goes both ways.

meganorks · 31/08/2026 18:41

You are still trying to make friends like a child or uni student. Its age not 'these days'. No one wants to chat to a rando on the bus! And I say this as quite a friendly chatty person myself. If you want to make friends as an adult it takes time. Firing 20 questions at someone trying to have five minutes peace isn't going to work!

shhblackbag · 31/08/2026 18:36

Wiseplumnet · 31/08/2026 16:13

Well said. I was sitting on my own, on a rock at the seashore enjoying watching my dog jumping about in the sea, when a middle aged man who I had never met before came up and started telling me his life story. That he felt entitled to do it is beyond me ! (Wasn't even a very interesting life story, I made an excuse and left before the end!)

How weird of random man. So annoying.

Poppinpoppinpopcorn · 31/08/2026 16:31

All ops examples are my down time. I don't want to talk to people in these situations. OPs needs don't come before mine

Wiseplumnet · 31/08/2026 16:13

Summerlovingtheraspberries · 31/08/2026 13:42

I think a lot of this is female empowerment and that is a good thing.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Neither myself nor my DDs owe anything to anyone. We are not there as entertainment.
Our peace is more precious than some randomers need to be engaged with. I find this especially important with how a large proportion of men feel entitled to women’s space.
This is not to be confused with rudeness.
I will help those in need. I’ll say hello to strangers on a walk.
However, I do not want strangers sitting next to me when there are plenty of other spaces.
I also wear big headphones and yes it’s partly to signify that I am not to be disturbed. Yet quite often men, and it is ALWAYS men, will insist on striking up some nonsense conversation with me. Go away random man. Go and approach the tattooed, angry looking male and ask him instead.

Well said. I was sitting on my own, on a rock at the seashore enjoying watching my dog jumping about in the sea, when a middle aged man who I had never met before came up and started telling me his life story. That he felt entitled to do it is beyond me ! (Wasn't even a very interesting life story, I made an excuse and left before the end!)

DandyFatball · 31/08/2026 14:05

latetothefisting · 31/08/2026 13:52

but she wouldn't have 'been done' because even WITH her being "rude" and shutting the OP down by saying 'it's a fitness class' and looking annoyed OP STILL carried on asking her questions until she had to completely blank her to make it clear she didn't want to talk. So it's easy to see why she felt that if she'd given OP the slightest bit of encouragement she wouldn't have been able to get rid of her.

Which all goes back to what the majority of people have been telling OP about reading the room.

Asking someone a basic question or greeting them in a friendly manner is, 99% of the time, completely fine, as is then continuing a conversation if they respond in kind.

But if they indicate, in words, body language, or actions that they are not interested in any further interaction, continuing to pursue one IS intrusive.

Prioritising your own wants, likes and preferences (in this case OP's desire 'to have a conversation' over someone else's (in their case 'to not have one') is the very epitome of rudeness.

Edited

This.

I don't mind passing the time of day but if people start asking questions, it's not unsociable to make it clear I don't want a chat thanks.

latetothefisting · 31/08/2026 13:57

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 31/08/2026 09:24

@Thepeopleversusworkbut lots of people aren’t interested in random social contact - it might make your day nicer or more pleasant but it’s not true for everyone.

One person’s need to chat and make small talk is not more important than another’s’ desire to just be left alone.

OP has shown with her example that she’s not great at reading the room - she’s also started a thread to moan about people’s lack of friendliness and has then proceeded to fuck off and ignore all the answers! Not exactly polite or supportive of social contact…

this is actually such a pertinent point 😁
I thought you wanted interaction OP, there's a whole thread of people trying to talk to you!

latetothefisting · 31/08/2026 13:52

Thepeopleversuswork · 30/08/2026 11:31

I don’t think OP was expecting a “review”, it was a basic attempt to make conversation?

She wasn’t expecting the woman to become her BFF, just wanted two minutes of chat. The woman could have replied in a sentence with a brief description and a smile and she would have been done.

When did that become “intrusive”? It’s part of the basis building blocks of bonding with others.

When I was young this was seen as absolutely necessary and normal, not something to be shunned. Why have we come to see normal human interaction as something malignant and rude?

but she wouldn't have 'been done' because even WITH her being "rude" and shutting the OP down by saying 'it's a fitness class' and looking annoyed OP STILL carried on asking her questions until she had to completely blank her to make it clear she didn't want to talk. So it's easy to see why she felt that if she'd given OP the slightest bit of encouragement she wouldn't have been able to get rid of her.

Which all goes back to what the majority of people have been telling OP about reading the room.

Asking someone a basic question or greeting them in a friendly manner is, 99% of the time, completely fine, as is then continuing a conversation if they respond in kind.

But if they indicate, in words, body language, or actions that they are not interested in any further interaction, continuing to pursue one IS intrusive.

Prioritising your own wants, likes and preferences (in this case OP's desire 'to have a conversation' over someone else's (in their case 'to not have one') is the very epitome of rudeness.

Summerlovingtheraspberries · 31/08/2026 13:42

I think a lot of this is female empowerment and that is a good thing.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Neither myself nor my DDs owe anything to anyone. We are not there as entertainment.
Our peace is more precious than some randomers need to be engaged with. I find this especially important with how a large proportion of men feel entitled to women’s space.
This is not to be confused with rudeness.
I will help those in need. I’ll say hello to strangers on a walk.
However, I do not want strangers sitting next to me when there are plenty of other spaces.
I also wear big headphones and yes it’s partly to signify that I am not to be disturbed. Yet quite often men, and it is ALWAYS men, will insist on striking up some nonsense conversation with me. Go away random man. Go and approach the tattooed, angry looking male and ask him instead.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 31/08/2026 13:33

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 12:59

In what world is introducing yourself to a colleague rude or barrelling in?

I expect the woman who was so rude to her in the staff room wonders why nobody helps or includes her. She was rude. And unkind.

Did you not read the whole post?

OP introduced herself, the lady said she was busy, and instead of taking the hint, OP plonked herself down and tried to force a chat.

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 12:59

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 31/08/2026 11:02

OP's examples go way beyond "meaningless acts of politeness and social exchange", though.

The people she was trying to interact with made it perfectly clear they weren't interested and yet she barrelled on anyway. That's rude, not normal.

In what world is introducing yourself to a colleague rude or barrelling in?

I expect the woman who was so rude to her in the staff room wonders why nobody helps or includes her. She was rude. And unkind.

arethereanyleftatall · 31/08/2026 11:52

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 10:53

society functions much better as a whole where people exchange small and meaningless acts of politeness and social exchange.

Holding a door open and saying Thank you in return. Letting someone go before you in a shop. Exchanging a pleasantry about the weather, or the length of the queue. Smiling at someone or saying good morning.

in none of the OP’s examples was she asking anyone to divulge their medical history or discuss Plato. Just a simple social interaction.

so no I don’t think your entitlement to your right to be unsociable trumps the perfectly normal interactions that used to make the world a much more pleasant place to live.

When I was a teenager my mom told me to always be polite and chatty with older people as I might be the only person they chat to today. That could be true of anyone, not just older people.

No one on this thread has detailed that there is any problem whatsoever with your first or second paragraph.

there has been quite a lot of hyperbole on this thread exaggerating what people are saying.

the problem isn’t the initial interaction. It’s the second one pushed on by the op (or others) when the stranger has made it abundantly clear small talk isn’t for them at that moment.

the continuation of the questions at that point is one of those ‘kindness only goes one way’ situations.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 31/08/2026 11:18

Anarchy99 · 31/08/2026 11:10

I am beginning to understand why these situations arise as people don’t understand nuance - they go straight from others not wanting to chat to the whole of society ignoring each other.

Nobody is suggesting we all go through life ignoring others.

A brief interaction in passing is fine, we all have to do it. It’s a natural thing and it’s how society works. It can be pleasant.

But approaching strangers to have a chat to them at the gym or on the bus is not the same thing. Okay to introduce yourself to a colleague, not okay to continue when they have been polite but indicated they no longer want to carry on.

It shows a lack of interest and understanding in the other person ironically - qualities guaranteed to actively put people off you,

Yes, exactly.

There's a huge difference between normal chit-chat in a queue or while you pass each other walking your dogs, and deliberately choosing to disrupt someone who's on their phone on their lunch break, or who's minding their own business on the bus.

Anarchy99 · 31/08/2026 11:11

But every time someone behaves in the way the OP has described her behaviour, it makes others more wary of social contact with strangers.

Anarchy99 · 31/08/2026 11:10

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 10:53

society functions much better as a whole where people exchange small and meaningless acts of politeness and social exchange.

Holding a door open and saying Thank you in return. Letting someone go before you in a shop. Exchanging a pleasantry about the weather, or the length of the queue. Smiling at someone or saying good morning.

in none of the OP’s examples was she asking anyone to divulge their medical history or discuss Plato. Just a simple social interaction.

so no I don’t think your entitlement to your right to be unsociable trumps the perfectly normal interactions that used to make the world a much more pleasant place to live.

When I was a teenager my mom told me to always be polite and chatty with older people as I might be the only person they chat to today. That could be true of anyone, not just older people.

I am beginning to understand why these situations arise as people don’t understand nuance - they go straight from others not wanting to chat to the whole of society ignoring each other.

Nobody is suggesting we all go through life ignoring others.

A brief interaction in passing is fine, we all have to do it. It’s a natural thing and it’s how society works. It can be pleasant.

But approaching strangers to have a chat to them at the gym or on the bus is not the same thing. Okay to introduce yourself to a colleague, not okay to continue when they have been polite but indicated they no longer want to carry on.

It shows a lack of interest and understanding in the other person ironically - qualities guaranteed to actively put people off you,

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 31/08/2026 11:02

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 10:53

society functions much better as a whole where people exchange small and meaningless acts of politeness and social exchange.

Holding a door open and saying Thank you in return. Letting someone go before you in a shop. Exchanging a pleasantry about the weather, or the length of the queue. Smiling at someone or saying good morning.

in none of the OP’s examples was she asking anyone to divulge their medical history or discuss Plato. Just a simple social interaction.

so no I don’t think your entitlement to your right to be unsociable trumps the perfectly normal interactions that used to make the world a much more pleasant place to live.

When I was a teenager my mom told me to always be polite and chatty with older people as I might be the only person they chat to today. That could be true of anyone, not just older people.

OP's examples go way beyond "meaningless acts of politeness and social exchange", though.

The people she was trying to interact with made it perfectly clear they weren't interested and yet she barrelled on anyway. That's rude, not normal.

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 10:53

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 31/08/2026 10:43

Isn’t it just as entitled to assume you can approach a stranger and force them into chatting with you?

society functions much better as a whole where people exchange small and meaningless acts of politeness and social exchange.

Holding a door open and saying Thank you in return. Letting someone go before you in a shop. Exchanging a pleasantry about the weather, or the length of the queue. Smiling at someone or saying good morning.

in none of the OP’s examples was she asking anyone to divulge their medical history or discuss Plato. Just a simple social interaction.

so no I don’t think your entitlement to your right to be unsociable trumps the perfectly normal interactions that used to make the world a much more pleasant place to live.

When I was a teenager my mom told me to always be polite and chatty with older people as I might be the only person they chat to today. That could be true of anyone, not just older people.

motherhoodisntfortheweak · 31/08/2026 10:45

My breaks at work are ‘protected ’ out of those 13hrs am at work that 1 hr is for me myself and I.

StressedOutPeanut · 31/08/2026 10:44

I'm autistic so social skills don't come naturally to me but your being to intense. Some people just need a minutes peace and quiet.
Very different to a basic polite conversation.

beaglescurleduplikebagels · 31/08/2026 10:43

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 10:42

100% this. I wish I had written it. It describes exactly how and why British society has changed.

MN illustrates this perfectly on a daily basis. Entitlement is baked in.

And only on mn is being an extrovert seen as being the very worst crime imaginable.

Edited

Isn’t it just as entitled to assume you can approach a stranger and force them into chatting with you?

BitOutOfPractice · 31/08/2026 10:42

Katypp · 29/08/2026 10:02

I think these responses kind of prove your point. OP.
We've spend that last 30+ years drumming into children that their feelings, wants and needs override everyone else's and the somewhat predictable result is that people no longer have any remorse about being rude and feel perfectly fine about blanking people because THEY don't want to talk.
I think it's tremendously sad and illustrates a breakdown in society. But you are unlikely to get any sympathy here, where it's all about boundaries and not owing anyone even a smile.

100% this. I wish I had written it. It describes exactly how and why British society has changed.

MN illustrates this perfectly on a daily basis. Entitlement is baked in.

And only on mn is being an extrovert seen as being the very worst crime imaginable.

Anarchy99 · 31/08/2026 10:36

cheeseomelette · 31/08/2026 10:08

@Thepeopleversuswork I totally agree with you. I see a huge shift which I just don’t think is entirely positive. I don’t think Covid helped by framing social contact as being dangerous for so long.

I think the concept of having “social skills” or appreciation of their value in society has really diminished. My parents really modelled it all to me and I think I’ve done the same with the dcs. They are friendly, polite and will hold a basic conversation with strangers with ease when required. it’s served them well at work too.

I am not talking about being harassed here or having conversation repeatedly forced on them when it’s clearly not welcome - nobody wants that nor should ever need to put up with it.

Bus chatters have always existed and are generally a harmless, if irritating, quirk of public transport.

Social skills involve reading the room and are indeed a valuable skill, I can do the small talk etc.

Someone who ignores indications that someone wants to be left alone does not have good social skills.

The only okay thing the OP did was introduce herself to the colleague. At that point it was clear that she didn’t want to chat. Everything else after that was out of line, including approaching the people in the gym and on the bus.

The pandemic did seem to remove people’s ability to read social cues. I noticed that once people got used to restrictions being removed and we got back to normal, people became more tactile with strangers too - presumably because they had missed being able to do it during COVID.

Until then I had never had to ask a stranger not to touch me but suddenly people would think it was okay to touch your arm or shoulder. Or even casual acquaintances hugging when they greeted you.

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