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Oh Andy, Andy, Andy.. just Why?

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WallowingInMud · 28/08/2026 13:59

[I categorically refuse to put the word ‘lighthearted’ in the title to indicate that Im not actually traumatised. Also because saying this post is lighthearted is just as facile as holding a little bus or building a Lego haus to illustrate my point.
See below.]

I realise that I don’t need to follow Mr B on instagram but I do and I’m feeling deeply patronised:

First a little toy bus (talking about buses innit), then a Lego house (building more Lego houses to amuse the homeless), a bit of cosplay by dressing up as a Sainsbury’s man of the people (to show that you can work at Sainsbury's and a sexy uniform is thrown in) and now… throwing a cowboy hat at the camera/phone to illustrate that cowboy builders are …cowboys.

Make it stop.

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KeepPumping · Yesterday 15:03

Visiblyabove25 · Yesterday 09:38

The simple reason as to why he’s doing it, is his audience like it. On that specific “wakey-wakey” post, on IG the top rated comment is about what a breathe of fresh air Andy Burnham is.

Other party leaders aren’t using social media to make complex statements and explanations about fiscal policy either, by the way. But it seems the online audience prefer props and toys to name-calling and mudslinging about other politicians, which is what Kemi Badenboch and Nigel Farage both do a lot of online. In an online world saturated in cynicism and outrage, I really struggle to see that as a bad thing.

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But he isn"t a breath of fresh air, he is someone who failed twice previously to become leader who has been parachuted in at great cost to the taxpayer because the last leader was a train wreck, and who has no new ideas that are realistically/financially doable, he is everything that is wrong with modern politics! Either he doesn"t have the self-awareness to realise this or he is just there to top up his credits for the speaking circuit when he inevitably gets forced out or loses a GE, old swivel eyes who sits near him at PMQ"s etc. is so obviously desperate for the job that you can smell the saliva through the television.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 11:57

Foolish1984 · Yesterday 11:51

🙄 It really is a deeply entrenched trend to ‘hate the prime minister’ isn’t it?!

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How did you feel about the Conservative PMs?

Foolish1984 · Yesterday 11:54

Visiblyabove25 · 03/09/2026 19:03

I like Andy Burnham - and one of the main reasons I like him is he has made me feel engaged with and inspired by politics for the first time in a long time. When - online in particular - politics has become increasingly snide and sniping, he’s been a breath of fresh air.

But I certainly don’t have him on a pedestal (beyond an admiration for his communication strategy, which I think is fairly flawless as these things go). And I’m very much aware I’ll likely be disappointed in the long run. In fact, throughout this thread I’ve repeatedly agreed with posters - some of whom probably have very different politics to me - when they’ve said that we’ll have to wait and see to really know how good a Prime Minister he’ll be and that the real test will be what he does in the budget and beyond.

Obviously, I haven’t read all the comments on his social media, but what I have read (and linked to earlier in the thread) is an independent report analysing the comments, and showing that compared to other politicians, he has an unusually high ratio of positive to negative comments.

Do I confidently think all the people who currently like his social media posts or currently favour him in the polls will go on to vote for him in an election? Obviously not.

But I don’t think any of that makes calling people who disagree with you dim-witted any less rude.

Same

Foolish1984 · Yesterday 11:51

🙄 It really is a deeply entrenched trend to ‘hate the prime minister’ isn’t it?!

Busybeemumm · Yesterday 11:46

Visiblyabove25 · Yesterday 09:38

The simple reason as to why he’s doing it, is his audience like it. On that specific “wakey-wakey” post, on IG the top rated comment is about what a breathe of fresh air Andy Burnham is.

Other party leaders aren’t using social media to make complex statements and explanations about fiscal policy either, by the way. But it seems the online audience prefer props and toys to name-calling and mudslinging about other politicians, which is what Kemi Badenboch and Nigel Farage both do a lot of online. In an online world saturated in cynicism and outrage, I really struggle to see that as a bad thing.

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I agree with you in that he is engaging- here we are talking about all his props and antics on Insta!

EasternStandard · Yesterday 10:47

BrandiedAromatics · Yesterday 10:12

AB is far less 'Green' than KS if we look at what I think of as Green policies. AB immediately cancelled our support for climate renewables support in other countries (and said they'll have to take out loans).

Also the drill, baby, drill - which is part of Burnham's new stance.

Just Stop Oil have started up again. I guess we’ll see if what you mention dents the AB vote.

Imdunfer · Yesterday 10:21

I'm still drumming my fingers waiting for any explanation as to how he is going to grow the private sector economy to pay for his plans .....

BrandiedAromatics · Yesterday 10:12

EasternStandard · Yesterday 08:53

I think they’re trying more to get Green voters back.

AB is far less 'Green' than KS if we look at what I think of as Green policies. AB immediately cancelled our support for climate renewables support in other countries (and said they'll have to take out loans).

Also the drill, baby, drill - which is part of Burnham's new stance.

Visiblyabove25 · Yesterday 09:48

AndyKitten · Yesterday 09:41

Well, I’ll start worrying if I see him using toy aircraft carriers the way Argentina is behaving.

Fair! 😆

He does seem to be aware that same topics aren’t prop-appropriate. But it’s a risk!

AndyKitten · Yesterday 09:41

Well, I’ll start worrying if I see him using toy aircraft carriers the way Argentina is behaving.

Visiblyabove25 · Yesterday 09:38

Busybeemumm · 05/09/2026 23:38

I thought his core voters were middle class champagne socialists. Could be just London though.

Maybe there is some research out there that suggests that infantile voters with less intellect have gone towards Reform and they need to be won back. Complex statements and explanations about fiscal policy won't cut it hence the use of props and toys.

The simple reason as to why he’s doing it, is his audience like it. On that specific “wakey-wakey” post, on IG the top rated comment is about what a breathe of fresh air Andy Burnham is.

Other party leaders aren’t using social media to make complex statements and explanations about fiscal policy either, by the way. But it seems the online audience prefer props and toys to name-calling and mudslinging about other politicians, which is what Kemi Badenboch and Nigel Farage both do a lot of online. In an online world saturated in cynicism and outrage, I really struggle to see that as a bad thing.

EasternStandard · Yesterday 08:53

I think they’re trying more to get Green voters back.

KeepPumping · Yesterday 02:20

Busybeemumm · 05/09/2026 23:38

I thought his core voters were middle class champagne socialists. Could be just London though.

Maybe there is some research out there that suggests that infantile voters with less intellect have gone towards Reform and they need to be won back. Complex statements and explanations about fiscal policy won't cut it hence the use of props and toys.

Unlikely, Reform voters know you can"t solve anything by spending 5 million that isn"t yours on a vanity project.

Busybeemumm · 05/09/2026 23:38

KeepPumping · 05/09/2026 18:29

Because he knows his core vote.

I thought his core voters were middle class champagne socialists. Could be just London though.

Maybe there is some research out there that suggests that infantile voters with less intellect have gone towards Reform and they need to be won back. Complex statements and explanations about fiscal policy won't cut it hence the use of props and toys.

Papyrophile · 05/09/2026 20:42

I quite like AB and I'm a Tory, but he does have a tendency to infantilise his audience. Although I disagree with a lot of what he says, he strikes me as able to build bridges for important matters. Social care is one of the obvious problem areas that we shall need cross-party consensus to solve. So while I don't agree with him very closely on political points, I am happy to go along for now.

I liked SKS, especially on the international stage where I thought he performed superbly, but he was leaden in UK events.

KeepPumping · 05/09/2026 18:29

Busybeemumm · 05/09/2026 08:51

Wakey wakey 'the alarm goes off...'
Why is he treating us like we are in preschool show and tell.

Because he knows his core vote.

AndyKitten · 05/09/2026 14:33

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/09/2026 06:14

It appears the young uns are still hankering after Communism though. Maybe because they can't afford to buy a house and are suffering from job insecurity. Housing and jobs is what Labour has to get to grips with. But knowing them, they'll just tinker around the edges.

They have no idea what it actually is.

They have bought into a warm and fuzzy feelz.

Undef communism they will most likely live in a mouldy two bed flat with parents and siblings and at with least one grandparent.

Busybeemumm · 05/09/2026 08:51

Wakey wakey 'the alarm goes off...'
Why is he treating us like we are in preschool show and tell.

JasmineMac · 05/09/2026 06:41

I like him as a person, he means well. He's not a PM though, by any stretch, and I think he'll be another short stay.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 05/09/2026 06:14

It appears the young uns are still hankering after Communism though. Maybe because they can't afford to buy a house and are suffering from job insecurity. Housing and jobs is what Labour has to get to grips with. But knowing them, they'll just tinker around the edges.

Imdunfer · 04/09/2026 19:30

YourAmplePlumPoster · 04/09/2026 18:36

I have studied Communism for a long time and been to see the Stasi Musems in Berlin and Leipzig. I would just like to know after providing all the physical needs of people like jobs, housing and health care why they still wanted to escape?

I have been on holiday in Russia before the Iron Curtain fell. There wasn't enough to eat, for tourists or for the locals.

Housing was a tiny utilitarian flat for most families.

Jobs, there's a Russian joke "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us".

We went to an exhibition of "state of the art" products, they were so proud to show us. It was 1983, I think, and the TVs and motorcycles on display looked like the ones we had in the 1950s.

People on the street tried to buy our jeans and our watches.

Communism doesn't work. State control of the means of production doesn't work.

AndyKitten · 04/09/2026 19:29

BrandiedAromatics · 04/09/2026 19:12

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AndyKitten · 04/09/2026 19:28

YourAmplePlumPoster · 04/09/2026 18:36

I have studied Communism for a long time and been to see the Stasi Musems in Berlin and Leipzig. I would just like to know after providing all the physical needs of people like jobs, housing and health care why they still wanted to escape?

I think that’s because even though the basic needs of a person are met, it’s within a collective setting. everybody wants to be seen as an individual and that’s just not there.
State planning is very rigid, there is no place for material frivolities and there is no space for ideological luxuries, such as individual beliefs.
So, people’s eyes wander to the other side of the fence.

BrandiedAromatics · 04/09/2026 19:12

YourAmplePlumPoster · 04/09/2026 18:36

I have studied Communism for a long time and been to see the Stasi Musems in Berlin and Leipzig. I would just like to know after providing all the physical needs of people like jobs, housing and health care why they still wanted to escape?

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YourAmplePlumPoster · 04/09/2026 18:36

I have studied Communism for a long time and been to see the Stasi Musems in Berlin and Leipzig. I would just like to know after providing all the physical needs of people like jobs, housing and health care why they still wanted to escape?