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Struggling with severely underweight child, no urgency from medics

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DinosaurJuiceForEveryone · 27/08/2026 14:40

11yo DS is autistic and has an eating disorder called ARFID. Im begging for help but no-one seems concerned.

When diagnosed 4 years ago he was between 25th - 50th centile for weight. Since then he has gradually slipped down the char until now hes off the bottom (below 0.4 centile).

Hes so weak and tired that 5 minutes at a park completely wipes him out. Hes breathless walking up the stairs. Because of the autism he struggles hugely with demands so I cant just tell him to eat/drink.

Though he does eat its very restrictive and every day there's a calorie deficit of 800-900 calories. He has several vitamin deficiencies but cant tolerate the oral supplements. We've attempted what feels like all supplement drink/shake options and he just gags and refuses them. Fljid kntake is a huge concern also - drinking around 500ml a day (can be less) is normal for him.

Dietitian said a few months ago that if things didn't improve he would need a feeding tube as the next step. DS wants this. He is excited to have pressure to eat and drink removed and wants to be healthier. It would mean medicines and supplements can be given through the tube also.

Hes been referred for a PEG but the waiting list is a minimum of 12 months.

Monitoring his intake, noticing cold extremities and mottled skin and trying to encourage without demanding are taking a huge toll on me. He is literally wasting away in front of my eyes. But because he is 'stable' (ha!) at home and not actively in organ failure it's apparently fine to just keep going.

Im so desperately worried for him but no-one seems to be taking it seriously 😭

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Sadius · 28/08/2026 05:15

SayDoWhatNow · 27/08/2026 20:14

That sounds really stressful for you.

Does he eat at meals or just grazing the odd bite through the day? If he's having meals, can you try asking him to do one more bite? So when he says he's done really incentivise having one last bite of something. If he's consistently undereating his tummy will be small and if he has sensory sensitivity he may not like the feeling of being full. So having one more bite (just one) is a way to get a little more intake without it being too stressful/too much.

One of the tricky things with arfid, especially when the intake is very low, is that the body switches off hunger cues because sending them takes energy he doesn't have to spare. Which reinforces the lack of interest in food because he's lost the connection between eating and having energy to do stuff.

Also, maybe encourage him to rest for a bit after eating meals. If you are underweight/undereating eating can paradoxically make you feel more tired because digesting the food you do eat puts you into a further energy deficit before the energy from the food you did eat is available.

Definitely don't do this!

Research has shown that this strategy actually causes children to eat less in the first place, in anticipation of the request. In someone with demand avoidance it may result that they reduce their intake.

sparrownetsuke · 28/08/2026 06:01

Edit to say we are in Australia where we can face similar wait times. We asked for a PEG without trialling an NG tube and the surgeon was happy to do it. Our situation was different though as we already had a surgeon, gastro and dietician involved. It's a perfectly reasonable option. In the end he was given the choice between having 2 stomas or drinking elemental formula--we're very lucky he doesn't have AFRID as he chooses to drink elemental formula. Which tastes and smell like predigested vomit. He has II, autism and a whole raft of other diagnoses.

Someone upthread suggested mito as a potential dx. We've been through the mito diagnosis process (which ended up with a dx of maybe he has mito but not one we can currently dx. Cheers.) I'm not seeing anything in what you describe that sounds even remotely like mito.

complaintsandquestions · 28/08/2026 06:03

I lead a NHS autism service (I realise this isn't the service you're having the issue with). Definitely ask your mp to ask when he will be seen, and also put in a complaint then escalate it. It shouldn't but these things do sometimes make us move someone up the list (because the chief exec makes us)

Lentilcakes · 28/08/2026 06:06

The squeaky wheel gets results. Keep calling up and annoying the secretaries. Some NHS consultants will respond to direct emails too - I’ve done this for myself.

SophieTheGuineaPig · 28/08/2026 06:24

I haven't read each and every reply, so sorry if this has already been mentioned, but some vitamins and minerals can be absorbed through the nasal mucosa, notably B vitamins and zinc, not sure if he'd tolerate these, but they were extremely effective when we used them for my husband's grandmother a few years ago.

And then I've seen transdermal patches of iron, vitamin D and possibly other vitamins / minerals, which I imagine would be easier to tolerate. One thing about iron deficiency is that it can exacerbate the lack of interest in food and sense of hunger. Not sure if you tested for B vitamins and zinc, but I would expect them to also be low with this diet.

Good luck!

DinosaurJuiceForEveryone · 28/08/2026 06:27

Sadius · 28/08/2026 05:05

Just to add that blood results are not necessarily a sign of stability - some people compensate right to the point of imminent mortality. It sounds like he is mostly amber flags on the MEED guidance, but he needs an ECG and standing BP/HR
The book 'Sick Enough' for emphasising the effects of malnourishment

I wondered if as your son is so underweight whether he may benefit from an inpatient stay on paediatrics for weight restoration
At a certain point of malnourishment eating disorder type cognitions occur, so therapies are more effective when delivered at a higher weight

I know you've said you don't want an NG but would a 10-14 day hospital admission involving being fed by NG be something you would ask about? He would be offered food or the calories via NG

No, honestly we really do not want this at all. DS would shut down in this scenario and it would do more harm than good.

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Shatenoeuf · 28/08/2026 06:32

DinosaurJuiceForEveryone · 27/08/2026 16:06

Best I can calculate he is eating between 900-1200 calories on any given day. Hence why the low weight isnt a dramatic loss, rather it's crept up so slowly that his centile has dropped and dropped. His weight has now been entirely static for around 5 months yet hes somehow grown taller in that time, which has reduced his bmi further.

Without dismissing your worries op, its good that you are getting food into him. 900 calories goes further than you think in a child, they carry far less fat & muscle than an adult

Whats his height centile & whats yours/DH? A low weighr/bmi can be relatively normal in a child who is short. I have an underweight child (growth issues, under endo and dietician) and while it can be scary seeing low centiles it isnt always a medical emergency.

Id be giving as many bowls of cheerios as he wants. Will he have milk with them?

Shatenoeuf · 28/08/2026 06:36

Also will he eat any simple high calorie substances where you can get a lot in a single bite - peanit butter, nutella

WaitingForMojo · 28/08/2026 06:53

There is so much poor advice on this thread with the best of intentions, from people who don’t understand arfid, or how the system works.

Unfortunately, you are a bit stuck, waiting for PEG. Are you on the ARFID facebook groups ? Beat run a group support course for parents of young people with ARFID.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/08/2026 07:26

I don’t think medical
cannabis is good for a lot of people
but honestly if this was my kid I’d probably be getting some mild edibles and trying to give them the munchies. Feeding tubes sound like a nightmare for a neurodivergent kid.

drspouse · 28/08/2026 07:35

We use this approach for anxiety in our DS with SEN in other areas. It is really helpful and has been successful in some DCs with ARFID. I think if you are in this state it's worth a try. I know it's not just "picky eating" and it's an unfortunate title but it's about ARFID. I imagine some parents don't even know their child has it so wouldn't buy a book with that title.

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Phineyj · 28/08/2026 07:36

knitnerd90 · 27/08/2026 22:01

sending sympathy OP. As I'm not in the UK I can't advise on best steps, but I would also want a PEG tube at this point and can say that here it would be done, though it would be last resort. It would have been handled somewhat differently (there would have been a referral to specialist feeding therapy much earlier) but for a child with so little intake, a feeding tube is required to take the pressure off. Blood work doesn't tell the whole story.

For anyone interested there are multiple approaches to feeding therapy. I personally am not a fan of behaviorist approaches for autism related ARFID. Here you could get therapy either from a speech-language pathologist (best choice if there are oral motor difficulties) or an occupational therapist (particularly good for sensory difficulties). But you'd want them getting sufficient nutrition so there's no pressure in the therapy sessions.

a friend's child was admitted for intensive outpatient (day hospital) feeding therapy for less than this.

Yes, I don't know where you are, but my impression is UK paediatric services are probably quite poor compared to other developed countries. There are too many barriers in the way of seeing specialists and waits are too long.

A friend who is bringing up kids in Switzerland has had an experience much more like what you describe than what I've seen in the UK. It's frustrating.

DinosaurJuiceForEveryone · 28/08/2026 07:41

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/08/2026 07:26

I don’t think medical
cannabis is good for a lot of people
but honestly if this was my kid I’d probably be getting some mild edibles and trying to give them the munchies. Feeding tubes sound like a nightmare for a neurodivergent kid.

😀
While at this point we are desperate, he needs extra calories and nutrients over a long period of time. That's why the appetite stimulants have been considered but ultimately rejected by the dietitian. Long term we need a PEG and that way we can gove him the supplements he needs too. Plus the fact he won't take any medication so it wouldn't work even in short term in practice anyway. But thank you, I do appreciate suggestions.

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DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · 28/08/2026 07:48

Sorry if you've tried this but couldn't see it mentioned. You can get a vit D spray for the inside of the cheek and it absorbs that way. No need for eating or drinking, just one spray per day.

saltyseaswimmer · 28/08/2026 08:12

AtIusvue · 27/08/2026 18:19

Could you add another MCDs run later in the evening under the guise that you want something. So he’s sitting in the car at drive thru, you turn and ask him if he wants anything? Will probably say no but you go ahead and get a cold drink or something.

If you make it another routine, could he be tempted one time to go for another round of nuggets occasionally.

I knew a family that visited MCDS twice a day because the fries had to fresh for their DD to be able to eat them. Couldn’t stand anything reheated.

This post made me realise that you may be using a drive through - if your son is eating the patties on the way home with you distracted driving it may be more about the fact that no one is watching and the car being a safe space and with moving scenery etc. You could try some long car journeys …

Usually though, when I read posts about arfid I think it’s unlikely to be originally psychological and more about the gut bacteria not working properly and making kids feel hungry - but I don’t know how to fix that with restricted eating. I’d remove as much dairy as possible though as lots of autistic people have milk protein allergies and they do not have to show up as vomiting to be having a severe impact on body and mind. And I’d try to get some vegan yoghurt in if possible or pickles etc with the good bacteria (but from a non dairy source). I’m sorry that these ideas probably sound flippant, but they come from a concerned place.

Phineyj · 28/08/2026 08:15

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · 28/08/2026 07:48

Sorry if you've tried this but couldn't see it mentioned. You can get a vit D spray for the inside of the cheek and it absorbs that way. No need for eating or drinking, just one spray per day.

I've tried these with my autistic DD and they can be quite strongly flavoured.

Ilovemyfam · 28/08/2026 08:31

DinosaurJuiceForEveryone · 27/08/2026 19:01

The issue is most PEGs are done for kids who aspirate when eating/drinking so eating disorders go to the back of the queue. Im not saying this is wrong btw, at the end of the day if your child needs a PEG anyone would want them at the top of the list wouldnt they.

I’m shocked. I work in healthcare and children with eating disorders come to see me for other reasons. I had no idea this was how they prioritized. I would argue the other way around - how do I know?

My heart goes out to you.

Ilovemyfam · 28/08/2026 08:41

saltyseaswimmer · 28/08/2026 08:12

This post made me realise that you may be using a drive through - if your son is eating the patties on the way home with you distracted driving it may be more about the fact that no one is watching and the car being a safe space and with moving scenery etc. You could try some long car journeys …

Usually though, when I read posts about arfid I think it’s unlikely to be originally psychological and more about the gut bacteria not working properly and making kids feel hungry - but I don’t know how to fix that with restricted eating. I’d remove as much dairy as possible though as lots of autistic people have milk protein allergies and they do not have to show up as vomiting to be having a severe impact on body and mind. And I’d try to get some vegan yoghurt in if possible or pickles etc with the good bacteria (but from a non dairy source). I’m sorry that these ideas probably sound flippant, but they come from a concerned place.

Your suggestions don’t sound flippant, I get the worry about gut bacteria but I would be cautious about suggesting to restrict such an important food group as dairy when the OP needs to be increasing calories from anywhere.

Eating disorders are horrible.

Bridesmaid123 · 28/08/2026 09:26

I haven't read any replies or your updates so sorry if this is irrelevant.
If your in England have a look at the Maudsley Hospital. My autistic son was under them for his OCD, we live North of England but was worth it. They specialise in ED in children too. You'll potentially have to fight for a referral but dont be fobbed off if you feel it would be right for you as a family. https://slam.nhs.uk/service-detail/service/maudsley-centre-for-child-and-adolescent-eating-disorders-99/

Service Detail - South London and Maudsley

https://slam.nhs.uk/service-detail/service/maudsley-centre-for-child-and-adolescent-eating-disorders-99

Notstoppingforredlights · 28/08/2026 09:56

Ilovemyfam · 28/08/2026 08:31

I’m shocked. I work in healthcare and children with eating disorders come to see me for other reasons. I had no idea this was how they prioritized. I would argue the other way around - how do I know?

My heart goes out to you.

You work in healthcare and don’t understand the extreme danger for children who can’t eat or drink without aspirating? I can’t say I’m totally surprised given the lack of awareness about dysphagia, but still.

(For the record I’m not arguing OP’s
child is lower priority, but suggesting that kids who end up repeatedly in intensive care just from having a sip of water aren’t a priority is just daft.)

DinosaurJuiceForEveryone · 28/08/2026 10:21

Notstoppingforredlights · 28/08/2026 09:56

You work in healthcare and don’t understand the extreme danger for children who can’t eat or drink without aspirating? I can’t say I’m totally surprised given the lack of awareness about dysphagia, but still.

(For the record I’m not arguing OP’s
child is lower priority, but suggesting that kids who end up repeatedly in intensive care just from having a sip of water aren’t a priority is just daft.)

Absolutely this! In terms of emergency these children are obviously going to jump the queue and rightly so! Just awful that there is a queue and a long one at that.

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Hellohiya · 28/08/2026 12:09

It can be done faster when a medical need, every time you feel he’s dehydrated I’d present via ED for fluids and bloods. Tedious but hopefully it will expedite the process. Especially if you can attend the same hospital the surgery will be done at.
My daughter’s team decided she needed a gastrostomy on a Thursday afternoon and we had it done the following Monday as part of an inpatient stay. good luck and I hope you get the surgery he clearly needs as soon as possible

Ohthatsabitshit · 28/08/2026 14:08

So your list of good is
McDonalds chicken nuggets
McDonalds hamburger patty
Cheerios
Salt & vinegar squares
Bourbon biscuits
chocolate oat milk
One of my children had similar issues. We are increasing our list weekly now but it’s been a long journey. I’d start by upping the calories in what you have. I teaspoon of double cream in the chocolate drink. Olive oil or melted butter on the plate the nuggets or burgers are served on. Boredom eating in the car or in front of the telly. Let his hands get mucky with a sludge of yoghurt or jam on the same plate as food. The smell and licking it off introduces the tase without having to make the choice to taste something.

Winter2020 · 28/08/2026 14:11

Ohthatsabitshit · 28/08/2026 14:08

So your list of good is
McDonalds chicken nuggets
McDonalds hamburger patty
Cheerios
Salt & vinegar squares
Bourbon biscuits
chocolate oat milk
One of my children had similar issues. We are increasing our list weekly now but it’s been a long journey. I’d start by upping the calories in what you have. I teaspoon of double cream in the chocolate drink. Olive oil or melted butter on the plate the nuggets or burgers are served on. Boredom eating in the car or in front of the telly. Let his hands get mucky with a sludge of yoghurt or jam on the same plate as food. The smell and licking it off introduces the tase without having to make the choice to taste something.

I think this is very difficult for the OP because a squeeze of oil in a safe food could lead to that food being rejected from then on.

nocoolnamesleft · 28/08/2026 14:16

Sadius · 28/08/2026 05:05

Just to add that blood results are not necessarily a sign of stability - some people compensate right to the point of imminent mortality. It sounds like he is mostly amber flags on the MEED guidance, but he needs an ECG and standing BP/HR
The book 'Sick Enough' for emphasising the effects of malnourishment

I wondered if as your son is so underweight whether he may benefit from an inpatient stay on paediatrics for weight restoration
At a certain point of malnourishment eating disorder type cognitions occur, so therapies are more effective when delivered at a higher weight

I know you've said you don't want an NG but would a 10-14 day hospital admission involving being fed by NG be something you would ask about? He would be offered food or the calories via NG

My experience is that although this can work for stabilising teens with anorexia, it tends to go pretty badly for kids with ARFID, especially if their ASD follows a PDA pattern. So it would be a last resort.

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