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AIBU to think friend’s question was fair?

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Luluandkirk · 27/08/2026 11:01

Last night I went to a languages night at a local bar (everyone wears tags with what languages you speak so you can practice & socialise).

My friend and I ended up chatting to 2 guys from Qatar who were just in the bar, not for the language night. So asked what languages they speak and they said Arabic and then said we are Muslim. My friend asked if they were practicing Muslims and one of the guys asked why. My friend kind of dodged a reply and tried to change the subject but he asked why she asked if they were practicing and persisted on the question. My friend said something like ‘oh I just wondered because you are drinking’ (alcohol)

He got really offended so I tried to back my friend up and said that well I was raised catholic but I’m no longer practicing, some people aren’t. The conversation moved on and it was all friendly in the end.

AIBU to think that while the awkward moment probably could’ve been avoided, my friend was just asking questions to get to know them? To clarify, she was absolutely not judging them for drinking but they were in fact drinking so it was a fair enough question. Not everyone raised in a religion do practice it continually and that is perfectly fine. As I said we continued chatting and it was all friendly but I think it played on her mind a bit.

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SethAndReubenTooSendGaloshes · 29/08/2026 04:48

Luluandkirk · 27/08/2026 11:45

How?

How??
Because she was questioning their religious practice and observance based on their behaviour. That's judgemental. Do you (and she) not know that vast vast numbers of Muslims don't observe every tenet of the religion but still call themselves Muslims? The word 'practicing' in relation to religion has a context and meaning that doesn't translate easily to islam at all and really should be avoided.

TheOriginalEmu · 29/08/2026 04:07

ThisKookyExpert · 29/08/2026 01:06

He got angry because her question pointed out his hypocrisy. I was raised catholic but I do not practice so I never say “I am catholic” I say I was raised as catholic. So whatever rules I’m breaking I’m
not being hypocritical because I no longer attend church etc .
What I find bizarre is I don’t see Catholicism as an identity so I wouldn’t label myself as such but Muslims do . Yanbu he needs to get over himself. Maybe people of other faiths also see their faith as identity even if they don’t obey the rules of the religion

Lots of people consider themselves culturally insert religion here even if they don’t practise because that religion is so entwined with their lifestyle and identity. Jews and Mormons for instance. i don’t see why that is any different for many people especially if from majority Muslim countries.

TheOriginalEmu · 29/08/2026 04:05

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 02:34

Why do you need to be 'an authority' on that faith to know they don't eat pork or drink alcohol?

Next you'll be saying only a zoologist can know that elephants have trunks. 😆

you didn’t claim that it was not allowed in islam to do those things, your claim was they wouldn’t do it in a muslim country so that makes them not muslim. that’s not the same claim at all.

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 03:30

And what's all this 'identify as' bollocks? It reminds me of the weirdos who identify as a cat. 🤣 You're either a Muslim or you're not.

You can't ignore all the things that define something and expect to be viewed as that thing. Somebody who 'identifies as vegan' but eats steak is not a vegan. They're simply somebody that identifies as a vegan and the identifying is solely in their head.

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 02:49

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/08/2026 02:41

No, you're not quite correct and that's a ridiculous analogy.
A person shouldn't proclaim when they don't know. It's condescending and rude.

So she was wrong? Muslims are allowed to eat pork/drink alcohol?

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/08/2026 02:41

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 02:34

Why do you need to be 'an authority' on that faith to know they don't eat pork or drink alcohol?

Next you'll be saying only a zoologist can know that elephants have trunks. 😆

No, you're not quite correct and that's a ridiculous analogy.
A person shouldn't proclaim when they don't know. It's condescending and rude.

pikkumyy77 · 29/08/2026 02:38

Luluandkirk · 27/08/2026 11:16

People don’t have the same attitude when it comes to Christianity though. I’ve been asked 100 times when I’ve said I’m catholic “do you go to church”. It’s very similar.

No the equivalent would be asking whether you had premarital sex or used birth control.

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 02:36

Doesn't mean they think they're not Muslim. You might think they're not, other Muslims might not think they are, but they do.

And?

There are quite a few fully intact males that think they're women. Believing something doesn't make it true.

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 02:34

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/08/2026 02:25

Are you in a position to make such proclamations? Unless you are well educated and an authority in that faith I don't think you can judge. 🤔

Why do you need to be 'an authority' on that faith to know they don't eat pork or drink alcohol?

Next you'll be saying only a zoologist can know that elephants have trunks. 😆

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/08/2026 02:33

Further:

No, a person does not have to abstain from alcohol to be considered a Muslim.
While the consumption of alcohol is strictly forbidden (haram) in mainstream Islamic law, drinking it does not automatically remove someone from the fold of Islam.

The theological distinction rests on the following points:
Sin vs. Disbelief

  • A Major Sin (Kabirah): Drinking alcohol is viewed as a major, grave sin. A Muslim who drinks is considered a "sinful Muslim" (fasiq) rather than a non-Muslim (kafir).
  • The Line of Disbelief (Kufr): A person only leaves Islam if they explicitly deny that alcohol is forbidden, effectively rejecting the divine laws of the Quran. If a person drinks but freely acknowledges that what they are doing is wrong, they remain a Muslim.
Katflapkit · 29/08/2026 02:33

PollyBell · 27/08/2026 11:33

No it isn't

Why isn't it?

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/08/2026 02:25

moonraker0 · 28/08/2026 19:40

I’d love to see them go to a Muslim country and consume pork and be open about their sexuality. We all know it would never happen because their religion forbids it so they are not Muslim.

Are you in a position to make such proclamations? Unless you are well educated and an authority in that faith I don't think you can judge. 🤔

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 02:11

FluentOP · 29/08/2026 01:57

It seems weird that they mentioned their religion when they were asked what language they speak. If someone asked a British person what language they speak, would they feel the need to say they are Christian/Catholic/Athiest ?

"What language do you speak?"

"I'm a satanist"

🤣

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 02:09

crikeymikey123 · 29/08/2026 01:32

correct about the alcohol. still none of your business.

Edited

I wouldn't have asked the question myself as the reality is pretty obvious. However, the men's indignation is a bit silly. Somebody claiming to be vegan and then getting butthurt about people being surpised they eat steak is pretty much an equivalency.

FluentOP · 29/08/2026 01:57

It seems weird that they mentioned their religion when they were asked what language they speak. If someone asked a British person what language they speak, would they feel the need to say they are Christian/Catholic/Athiest ?

grinandslothit · 29/08/2026 01:44

What your friend did there is called a microaggression
It was inappropriate and rude

crikeymikey123 · 29/08/2026 01:32

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 01:13

It's not 'her definition of Muslim'. Drinking alcohol is haram and strictly forbidden. It's like somebody eating a steak and saying "oh, it's my way of being a vegan".

correct about the alcohol. still none of your business.

crikeymikey123 · 29/08/2026 01:30

It's an invasive judgy question yes.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 29/08/2026 01:17

He said he was Muslim so I’d automatically assume practicing. I think her question was rude and unnecessary.

TheOriginalEmu · 29/08/2026 01:14

i can’t understand why they were defensive. in the current political climate and the rampant islamophobia in the press and on social media etc, there could be a really unpleasant end to that topic of conversation. of course it’s possible your friend didn’t mean it that way, but they don’t know her to know that it’s a safe topic.

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 01:13

GolfingGoddess · 27/08/2026 11:05

I think it’s pretty rude to ask to be honest. They have told you they are Muslim; they define themselves that way and have that belief. It sounds like your friend is then judging whether they meet her definition of Muslim and questioning their drinking etc. You are right that it could have been avoided, but by your friend asking a more appropriate next question.

It's not 'her definition of Muslim'. Drinking alcohol is haram and strictly forbidden. It's like somebody eating a steak and saying "oh, it's my way of being a vegan".

ThisKookyExpert · 29/08/2026 01:06

He got angry because her question pointed out his hypocrisy. I was raised catholic but I do not practice so I never say “I am catholic” I say I was raised as catholic. So whatever rules I’m breaking I’m
not being hypocritical because I no longer attend church etc .
What I find bizarre is I don’t see Catholicism as an identity so I wouldn’t label myself as such but Muslims do . Yanbu he needs to get over himself. Maybe people of other faiths also see their faith as identity even if they don’t obey the rules of the religion

BlueFlowerySky · 29/08/2026 00:02

FFSItsTooHot · 28/08/2026 23:07

Seems a fair enough question to me. If someone told me they were a Muslim,but was drinking alcohol,I'd think they were obviously not devout.

But why is it your business that you feel the need to question them about?

LeopardStar1 · 28/08/2026 23:16

Swiftie1878 · 28/08/2026 21:03

It’s not about ‘being’ Muslim, it’s about whether you’re a practising muslim.
All those you describe are not ‘practising’, albeit they consider themselves Muslim.

How do you know they're not practising? I knew a Muslim who prayed several times a day, spoke about his faith for hours on end and recited the Quran. He also enjoyed a Jack Daniels. So what? Let him practice what he feels he needs to practice and let other people practice the way they want to.

FFSItsTooHot · 28/08/2026 23:07

Seems a fair enough question to me. If someone told me they were a Muslim,but was drinking alcohol,I'd think they were obviously not devout.