Dh says the U.K is f***** and he never wants to go back

I'm really angry at the amount of violent and sexual crime committed by men coming from countries with no respect for the law or women. Afghan nationals (like the ones who raped that 14 year old on the train) are convicted of sexual crimes at 20 times the the rate of British men.

Once again, this is not true. That stat was based of falsified data in a report by a one man band 'think tank'. The source data quite literally had a tab explaining why the data couldn't be used for per capita comparisons, which good old Honest Robert Bates deleted from his report, before changing some numbers too.

If you check the source data and normalise it for sex, age and socio-economic background the conviction rates between British men and immigrant men are not significantly different.

I know you probably don't care and will continue to spread that misinformation regardless.

@strawberrybubblegum if these are Ministry of Justice Numbers the maths here isn't quite right. The data actually says 15% are foreign nationals, not 27% (the other 12% are just listed as "unknown" because it wasn't recorded). Also, non-UK citizens make up about 13-14% of the population, not 9%.
More importantly, you're comparing apples to oranges. The general UK population includes millions of children and elderly people. The migrant population is mostly young men—the group statistically most likely to commit crime in any country, including our own.
When you compare men of the exact same age, the difference drops right down. Twisting numbers to fit a narrative doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of violence against women in the UK is done by British men known to the victim.

Because I don’t believe that to be true. And have fact checked it and I believe we are ignoring what the real issue is.

In July 2026, Police fire rubber bullets at anti-tourism protest in Mallorca, when thousands took to the streets, according to the Times of London.
You can watch it here
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/spain-protests-palma-mallorca-tourism-jz8tlf2k3
That looks pretty apocalyptic, too!
I've googled it and apparently, Spain is overall a statistically safe country, while England is moderately safe.
On the other hand a 'green' bit of England is going to be miles safer than a socially deprived area of Spain, so I really think OP and her husband can quit worrying!

The vast majority of sexual offences and rapes in the UK are committed by British citizens. If a woman becomes a victim of a violent or sexual crime in the UK, the available evidence shows that the perpetrator is overwhelmingly likely to be a white British man known to her. I’ll just post that again. Because it’s a fact.

@strawberrybubblegum sorry to let you know that Women in the UK face the overwhelming majority of male violence and femicide at the hands of men they already know—predominantly current or former intimate partners—rather than from strangers or specific nationality groups. The most dangerous place for a woman remains her own home. Overall immigration to the UK is roughly balanced between men and women, despite what you might think peer-reviewed academic studies and data analysed by groups like the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford consistently find that immigrants are, on average, less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizens. The UK has a problem with its own men which really needs to be looked at first. That’s where the real danger lies.

You've clearly no idea what goes on in other developed countries.

Indeed, the irony is astounding. They want to leave this country to get a better life elsewhere, and that’s apparently fine. But other people wanting to leave their country to get a better life here are wholly responsible for every evil in the world. There’s a cognitive cog that’s not quite slipped into place for the grass is always greener types.

By right wing agitators you mean people with opinions that are different to yours?

So what if someone is anti-abortion. People are entitled to their views. Presumably laws are made (or should be) by discussion/votes by people who hold lots of different views. Why do you have to try to "cancel" people that think differently to you?

The FSU, Free Speech Union, are not transparent about how they are funded. They're essentially a mouthpiece for right wing agitators. And of the funders we do know about, one of them is a charity run by an anti-abortion lawyer.

Don't trust a word that they say, they have an agenda, and it's not about free speech

if someone is thinking about GDP or economic robustness, doesn't aging population come into that outcome strongly?

Which country with population aging as fast as UK has grown in gdp/capita or gdp rank/capita?

The main reason UK population is growing is because people don't die as young as they used to.

I'm in the same type of situation but I can't come back home to the UK because it doesn't feel safe for my family and I can see it getting much worse. I'm very sad about it but they come first.

Just wanted you to know that you're not alone.

You're right, it is a false equivalence because the people you are describing come to the UK because they're fleeing war and persecution, and the Brits going abroad are economic migrants - the thing that people in the UK complain about the most.

I don't know why I'm bothering because cognitive dissonance is too strong to argue with, but:

1. Migrants arriving: 405 last week into a population of 69,500,000
2. British nationals account for 75% to 85% of all rapes
3. I live in a major UK city - have an NHS dentist within walking distance, as do my whole family, and have accessed the NHS several times over the last couple of years - whenever needed. Had a successful life saving operation in 2021.
4. Home ownership is a problem, but this is due to under-building, rise in single person households, older people living in bigger houses and buy to let / second home ownership
5. Please name this mythical village? The villages round by me are overwhelmingly white.
6. The police where I live are wonderful and very visible, they do cuppa with a copper, one of the police officers recently gave me a call back just because i'd seen someone who looked a bit dodgy (they were white by the way) in the back lane.
7. You are generalising isolated incidents - I can easily give you isolated incidents that prove the opposite

Read the thread title!

You don’t actually know how steadfast he is. Let the op work it through. There’s plenty of couples where people talk about where to live.

I was rather excited to see that where I live, well on the outskirts of said place, is listed as one of the ten worst places to live in the UK!!!! Yes!!!!!! I finally won something #blessed

Depends where you are now.

The UK is fucked in many ways. It feels like a completely different country to only 8-10 years ago.

You will get polar opposite views here for political, economic, societal and geographic reasons.
I live in a lovely, low crime area where the community is great and the state schools good. I have had amazing treatment on the NHS with my cancer diagnosis and treatment and my Dad has been really well cared for over the last year of being ill.
It's by no means perfect but overall does depend on where you live in the UK.