AIBU to ask what is happening in Middlesbrough at the moment?

Yes I took it as the school system too.

and she’s right imo.

Worst thing that happened was taking away vocational courses and making it all based on exams in a limited range o subjects.

If I had been in that car my parents wouldn’t even have come to my funeral they would have been so ashamed and disowned me after death
I wouldn’t have dared to do any of the anti social behaviour stuff let alone crime as there was the fear of being seen by other adults who would tell your parents and a healthy fear around that. I sound old but I’m only 42!

we have a fair amount of it round here, I’ve had bricks thrown at my window, kids in my garden banging on the patio doors, bikes being ridden down the middle of the road blocking traffic. Just low level shit but it doesn’t get stamped out. Fuck, if I had thrown a brick at a window I would have been dragged home by my ear, made to apologise, pay for the damage and not allowed out for a year

For sure, these families don't engage with the school system, but if the children don't at least attend in primary and learn to read and write and do even basic maths, they're not going to be able to learn a trade.

In the past, education was hugely valued among the working class populations of the NE. I know this because my own father, his brothers, cousins, friends, my mum and her school friends, most of whom left school at 14, spent years studying at evening classes to try and better their prospects. Many of them spent their working lives in jobs of hard manual labour but seized every opportunity to learn, whether that was practical work related subjects, or purely for the love of learning. The WEA is still out there, providing opportunities for learning.

There certainly aren't the jobs now, but the attitudes to learning in many of these families completely remove any opportunities for their children.

I thought she was talking about the school systems etc?
Some children especially young men aren’t suited to further education unless is trades.
My DF said in the olden days, you started as a labourer and saw how sites worked etc.
One of my uncle’s started as a labourer. Then hod carrier, then bricklayer then own business!
But that was the 60’s!
Work needs to pay and grooming for country lines etc ! I just don’t know!
But I’m in north east and the bother is all caused by less than 1% of the population!

I agree with you. I worked in some deprived schools in this region and some of the teachers and school staff really do go above and beyond to try and help these children

I took what she was saying to mean to school system just not working for these children

She talks about children being let down by schools. I work with teachers who work in the deprived regions of the NE. I've never met a more committed group of people who go way beyond what should be expected of them.

Sorting out clothes and food for children whose families are letting them down. Spending hours looking for funding to support extra curricular activities for children who have nothing at home. Because of their so called parents. Spending their summer holidays supporting charities and local initiatives feeding children and trying to make sure they're not roaming the streets.

There are plenty of families in similar financial circumstances who don't end up with criminal thugs for children. Education is one of the main ways out of the cycle, along with parents who actually parent.

Yes she says what a number of us on these threads have been saying. These kids aren’t born thugs.

I totally back her 100% and she’s from Middlesbrough so she gets it far more than me (I live in an affluent town in the south)

I would presume all were stolen.

Steph McGovern (born in Middlesbrough) wrote a very good post about Middlesbrough related to this topic and the reasons why this may have happened

its on Facebook

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/26505865.a66-crash-victims-home-reportedly-rammed-fatal-crash/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwdGRjcAT-qcRjbGNrBP6pwnBkb2YFZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEeujpqsfEdPCMwVQRZpwO4E1NY8PQDxBvIKw0WCJJ71BnZ5NuTygeciWC1Ow4_aem_2nEOg9pztJ9y_93aD_fNLg#Echobox=1787939080

Whose cars were they burning?

I think we need a new word for actual working class people! Who actually work!
I’m working class and my family and friends aren’t like them!
In our village it’s outsiders in posh cars who come and buy drugs from parked cars! Who also don’t live in the village!!

'Then you get events like this when your leave gets cancelled and your wife has to take the kids on holiday without you.'

Plus the worry that you go on shift tonight and some lowlife driving on the wrong side of the road ends up ploughing into your car.

Given the backlash against the murderers, we perceive the public absolutely fine thanks.

Leave us to grieve and gather everything we need to bring these low life's to justice.

It's the same in my home tiwn, a northern former fishing port. Industries gone, civil service/local gov/NHS offices relocated ending entry level opportunities for local kids and all the wider local jobs and businesses indirectly supported.

There really is nothing and similar to you, the towns former grand victorian guesthouses are now mainly HMOs housing asylum seekers or sex offenders brought in by charities. You can see gang and drug culture slowly gaining a foothold and Middlesbrough is the ghost of our future if something doesn't turnaround soon but I can't see how, and the Northern Powerhouse has so far bypassed our part of the north. It's chilling.

Well I believe normal pension age is 60 for police which is better than nhs and teachers which is now 68.

I do appreciate they pay a lot in. 13%?

though not as good as the old scheme where you could retire whatever age after 30 years. My sister retired at 48 on a full pension. Shes having a great life since retirement 😁

There is always someone ready to have a dig at public sector workers, isn’t there.

Shame, on a thread where holding criminals to account, saving lives, supporting those in crisis including death and trying to support families in a positive way in the future, all relies mostly (if not wholly) on public sector and charity sector workers.

Out of interest:

how do you “know” they have a very good pension?

do you know the actual pension provision, the contributions they make, and how it compares to other sectors?

are you a member of the police pension?

if not, do you know this as fact or are you just repeating something you once heard somewhere?

Ah good to see the gangsta f-wit community releasing their balloons, burning cars and driving around at speed. Somehow we are paying for all this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdj43zkjweyo

No, but we can lock them up for a proper amount of time for crimes they have already committed to keep the community safer, and not allow early release when there is a high likelihood of re-offending.

And officers pay in approx 13% of their salary to their pension-it’s not free

You can’t lock people up for crimes they might commit ffs.

Yes, recruitment is falling.

the pension is not so great now. The days of final salary on 30 years service have long gone and it’s now career average aligned with state pension age. Better than some, but not exceptional. Not good enough to keep people in the service, and no one wants to be working response in their 60’s.

officers are also leaving. Huge workloads, not enough resources. Pay’s not great unless you do loads of overtime. Then you get events like this when your leave gets cancelled and your wife has to take the kids on holiday without you.