Do female leaders and managers make better managers ?

If you're genuinely after evidence then maybe you should look into the coroners report on Chloe Moffett.

The head of global issues at the Treasury, who was running the investigation into Moffat, said during the coroner’s hearing that she did not give Moffat prior notice of the meeting because “she did not want Chloe to worry about it”. She had also told the court that when Moffat asked in tears whether she would lose her job, she had replied that she could not predict the outcome of any potential investigation.

Given that she's been slated for doing the wrong thing and contributing to Chloe's suicide I think we can prove that not ALL women are great managers. And by logical extension, you can't reasonably assert the world would be a better place if run by women. And that it's pretty sexist to even make that argument, stereotyping sexes again.

If men dissappeared from any sort of government or global decision making the power vacuum and will just be filled with just as ambitious women who would not think twice of using the levers of control at their disposal to advance themselves and shit on others. The same fight for resources, trade and geopolitical power would still exist.

@MrsPhilippaPippaVoss “there have been various threads over the years about women being in charge and how there would be no wars etc”

There would still be wars!

The pressures of leadership, such as securing resources, protecting national sovereignty, and maintaining political power transcend gender.

I’ve had probably 50/50 in terms of direct line managers over my career. The best one was male and the worst was female. The rest were a mixture. I don’t think gender really comes into it, I couldn’t care less as long as they’re good to work for. My experiences tell me you need a mixture of different types of people leading.

MN is obsessed with all men and bad and all women are good.

I assume that was sarcasm/irony.

If it was a genuine belief, then for full facts, including the 3000+ deaths, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_New_Zealand

In the early days of my career I used to love having female managers. They were so much better.

But that was because there were far fewer who had managed to break the barrier i to management and so they were the best of their group

Now I see little in it, and I don't even see a particularly marked difference in the ways they're bad.

My biggest bugbear is managers who cannot understand that their plan represented their original best guess of how a project would go, and is an estimate only. And that I'm not running late (and "need to work unpaid overtime to catch up") just because you put an unreasonably low estimate.of effort so your overall plan would appear viable.

Punctuation is your friend. Do not fear it.

Good managers can be male or female. HTH.

Males.

In all my years working, males have definately been the best managers, until now. My f boss is the best boss i've ever had.

Early academic analyses, such as those reviewed by the <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&rct=j&url=news.uq.edu.au/2022-06-16-female-leadership-attributed-fewer-covid-19-deaths&ved=2ahUKEwjjlNj7-b2WAxVYUkEAHdUhHZgQy_kOegoIAggACAEIEhAC&opi=89978449&cd&psig=AOvVaw18_h37B2F1BiPHY5IU9Yjr&ust=1787821967633000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">University of Queensland Research, pointed out that nations governed by female leaders (e.g., New Zealand, Taiwan, Germany) often experienced lower per capita mortality during the initial 2020 phase of the pandemic.

However, broader multi-year global datasets indicate that per capita death rates ultimately correlated heavily with underlying population health factors (such as average age and obesity rates), baseline healthcare capacity, and timing of viral introduction rather than the gender of the political leader alone.

Hope you'll be happy that you can now discard your outdated information.

Jacinda ran New Zealand exceptionally well. It must be one of the few places that had no deaths from Covid. She seems to have been amazing.

Lol you must be working with my past boss.

Im my experience men managers are better.
My past jobs with women managers were awful, some of them picked who they wanted to like and the rest got treated like crap.

One bullied me and other staff so much, she got removed from the role.
Another one said she had to let me go along with 2 others, just to find out she wanted to have her daughter and her friends to work there, the whole place went bust in a few months.

Another one i felt like slapping, poor woman near me use to faint due to cramps and migraines lose sight in one eye, she was told to stop making a fuss take some pain killers and get on with it or get out.
That was the very job i walked out from 8 year ago i got up got my bag and walked out never went back told her to go fuck herself.
Above lady is lovely very sweet woman we still talk she works in the job center now, said boss got the sack in the end.

My manager now is a man and he`s great.

I’ve had more male managers given the type of work I do (Engineering) but on the whole I have been really lucky to have mostly really good direct line managers with very limited exceptions.

One of our big bosses though isn’t a great leader and I’m extremely thankful he has an exceptional woman over him who holds him in line.

Come off it.
Women tolerate, even venerate, mediocre women leaders.

Just think Jacinda Ardern, hailed as a covid strategy genius - apparently because she was a woman - and then proved to be as mediocre as any other on every other topic or policy she touched.

Some people get some things right sometimes. I dont know anyone, man or woman, that gets it mostly right most of the time.

Even your Thatcher dig is fairly misplaced: short term fixes for a very ailing country that have had long term consequences. But to say that was bad is to assume there was a better course of action at the time. In her absence I'd guess there were about 2 chances of someone finding a better solution against 5000 different ways to fail even more completely.

It's easy to look back and find alternatives with hindsight but no guarantee they wouldn't also have had unintended consequences

No way.

The worst bosses I have ever had were female, the best male.

In my decades long career experience, women are not better leaders.

The most gossipy people at my work are definitely men.

So I’ve had some mediocre male managers but the two worst managers I’ve had were woman. The best manager I’ve ever had (and best manager in the world, I love you Joan) was also a woman. I think it really depends because some women managers can just be fucking sadistic freaks - the two I’m talking about hated me for my youth and used to be absolutely awful to me and the other young things. To this day I go out of my way to be nice to younger women in the workplace. I’m 27 and self employed, so not really an issue yet but when I go to meet ups and stuff and professional development things I always always try and be nice/ share my knowledge.

Same
and I’m afraid to say the 2 female ones have been horrendous 😭

but the current one makes the first one seem like Mary Poppins

i don’t doubt those is some ingrained expectations of empathy and understanding from a woman. So when you get neither it does seem even more shocking for her to consciously make every effort to cause more damage

As others have echoed i have had shit managers of both sexes. I guess if I really had to split hairs, generally speaking, the male managers were shit due to lack of competence, organisational skills, indecision or any kind of emotional intelligence. The women were shit because of manipulative bullying vindictive behaviour. Not sure which conditions were worst to work under.

Interestingly, the most compassionate manager I've ever had was a man and the most hands-off one/emotionally cold manager was a woman.

I remember reading somewhere that women leaders are less likely to show compassion and are more likely to be ruthless due to perception of them being judged as 'emotional'. I also remember reading that at times of trouble, businesses often hire women leaders as they want to the women to make visibly tough decisions as it looks better/less aggressive than if a man does it.

I'm middle management (and a woman) at the moment and I strive so hard to be myself and not soften my soft edges as I'm aware of this.

I’ve been treated poorly more by female managers than male, some can be really nasty.

I’ve experienced poor, average and excellent with both men and women. I have to say though, our current female Head Teacher is exceptional! Honest, sincere, hardworking, reflective, constantly striving for improvement.

I’ve had some horrors in my career, vindictive, spiteful and incredibly moody, but also had some inspirational female leaders so it’s a hard one to answer.

Ive been bullied badly in certain jobs I've had. Every time its been a woman responsible and a particular vindictiveness came with the bullying from those women.

Law is well known for that though.

I suspect a lot also depends on your work environment- I have mostly worked in very male-dominated areas of IT, and I've only had two women managers. However, in my library career when I was young, it was nearly all women. Head librarians were all male, though...

My best managers have been men - but so have my worst (men are also very capable of micromanagement.) But then the vast majority of my managers have been men, so that's just a question of numbers as much as anything. Interestingly, the very top of my reporting line is currently all female, but there are 3 levels of men until you get to the three levels of women above them. The woman in charge of our division in the UK seems to be really brilliant and tries to get to know everyone regardless of rank.