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Aiming4Optimistic · 25/08/2026 10:39

I don't think reform are going to scrap same sex marriages. I don't think it would be wrong to not recognise marriages which don't meet the legal definition of 'married', in this country. Religious/humanist ceremonies that aren't legal, should not be treated as such, wherever those ceremonies take place and irrespective of the legal standing in those other countries.
That said, I don't agree with prioritising married couples for housing - marital status is completely irrelevant to the level of need. As things stand, single parents need more support, but maybe this wouldn't be the case if we made NRP pay their fair share of children's' costs, instead of putting most of the responsibility onto single mums.

TheCountessofLocksley · 25/08/2026 10:10

Warmlight1 · 25/08/2026 09:54

Absolutely. But I think you may have been suggesting that the policy might have a consequence which he doesn't intend in terms of relatively higher proportion of British ethnic minorities qualifying- is that what you are getting at?

That’s how I interpreted @friedakleinpost. Reform just spout the first vaguely contentious thing they think of that makes their supporters happy, without considering what it means in reality. The unintended consequences would definitely raise blood pressure in certain quarters 😉

But we already know they want to scrap the HRA and Equality Act. This could mean that same sex marriages, civil partnerships, civil marriages, overseas marriages or non-Christian marriages etc could be made unlawful or not recognised as legal under a Reform government.

KnickerlessParsons · 25/08/2026 10:02

IfIHadAHeart · 25/08/2026 09:48

I will start by saying I completely disagree with Reform, their members, their policies and most of what they stand for.

I do however think it’s interesting to look at whether the decline of marriage has contributed in some way to the housing crisis. I was married, I’m now divorced. My ex and I now live in two houses instead of one, with the kids splitting their time between us. We each rent a 3 bedroom house to accommodate this. Our circumstances are mirrored many thousands of times across the country.

I don’t know what the fix is. I would not choose to remain married to my lying, cheating ex. No one should remain in an unhappy marriage, or be encouraged to marry to secure a council house. I don’t think married couples need to be given housing priority over other more vulnerable groups. But the decline in marriage, or I suppose the increase in divorce rates, is contributing to the housing crisis.

This ^^

I don't know the figures, but there are so many families using up two houses these days, instead of just one. And that, coupled with the fact everyone is living much longer, and that for the most part, we no longer have several generations of a family sharing one house, mean we need more houses than we ever did before. And that's not considering the current immigration figures, be they legal or illegal.

Lomonald · 25/08/2026 10:00

They talk absolute 💩 this man probably blames his ex wife for absolutely everything they don't care about women they just care about men and how women owe them a life and children !

ClarkeandNewman · 25/08/2026 09:59

IfIHadAHeart · 25/08/2026 09:48

I will start by saying I completely disagree with Reform, their members, their policies and most of what they stand for.

I do however think it’s interesting to look at whether the decline of marriage has contributed in some way to the housing crisis. I was married, I’m now divorced. My ex and I now live in two houses instead of one, with the kids splitting their time between us. We each rent a 3 bedroom house to accommodate this. Our circumstances are mirrored many thousands of times across the country.

I don’t know what the fix is. I would not choose to remain married to my lying, cheating ex. No one should remain in an unhappy marriage, or be encouraged to marry to secure a council house. I don’t think married couples need to be given housing priority over other more vulnerable groups. But the decline in marriage, or I suppose the increase in divorce rates, is contributing to the housing crisis.

I think the causes of the housing crisis lie in decades of neoliberal policy and the transformation of housing from a basic human need into a commodity and mechanism for the transference of wealth to the already wealthy. In other words, don't worry. You are not the problem!

As for Mr Tice, Dicky by name...

friedaklein · 25/08/2026 09:57

Warmlight1 · 25/08/2026 09:54

Absolutely. But I think you may have been suggesting that the policy might have a consequence which he doesn't intend in terms of relatively higher proportion of British ethnic minorities qualifying- is that what you are getting at?

Yes! Like Brexit.

Lexibletheflexible · 25/08/2026 09:55

IfIHadAHeart · 25/08/2026 09:48

I will start by saying I completely disagree with Reform, their members, their policies and most of what they stand for.

I do however think it’s interesting to look at whether the decline of marriage has contributed in some way to the housing crisis. I was married, I’m now divorced. My ex and I now live in two houses instead of one, with the kids splitting their time between us. We each rent a 3 bedroom house to accommodate this. Our circumstances are mirrored many thousands of times across the country.

I don’t know what the fix is. I would not choose to remain married to my lying, cheating ex. No one should remain in an unhappy marriage, or be encouraged to marry to secure a council house. I don’t think married couples need to be given housing priority over other more vulnerable groups. But the decline in marriage, or I suppose the increase in divorce rates, is contributing to the housing crisis.

Maybe the issue is that incompatible people are marrying and having kids. People with totally different ideas on parenting, hygiene, education and health are partnering up for reasons other than they will create a happy, healthy family unit.

Be honest, don't you see a lot of couples that really don't seem to like each other much?

Warmlight1 · 25/08/2026 09:54

friedaklein · 25/08/2026 09:39

No, I absolutely agree women put up with what they shouldn't have and I am all in favour of divorce being easier for Asian women.

Absolutely. But I think you may have been suggesting that the policy might have a consequence which he doesn't intend in terms of relatively higher proportion of British ethnic minorities qualifying- is that what you are getting at?

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IfIHadAHeart · 25/08/2026 09:48

I will start by saying I completely disagree with Reform, their members, their policies and most of what they stand for.

I do however think it’s interesting to look at whether the decline of marriage has contributed in some way to the housing crisis. I was married, I’m now divorced. My ex and I now live in two houses instead of one, with the kids splitting their time between us. We each rent a 3 bedroom house to accommodate this. Our circumstances are mirrored many thousands of times across the country.

I don’t know what the fix is. I would not choose to remain married to my lying, cheating ex. No one should remain in an unhappy marriage, or be encouraged to marry to secure a council house. I don’t think married couples need to be given housing priority over other more vulnerable groups. But the decline in marriage, or I suppose the increase in divorce rates, is contributing to the housing crisis.

Lexibletheflexible · 25/08/2026 09:44

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 25/08/2026 09:37

@friedaklein WTF does 'decently married' mean?

British born muslims are part of the 'British born Asian' group you refer to and a recent Channel 4 survey showed 60-66% of their marriages were not legally binding (religious marriage only) so would not count under these rules.

Reform are horrendous and these kind of nonsense make things more divisive and worse. We all need to be treated respectfully regardless of marital status.

Edited

But that is because they find there are more advantages to being unmarried if you are poor. I'm not legally married. We had a ceremony that we consider to be our wedding and we refer to each other as husband and wife, but we aren't formally married. It was postponed due to family illness and then I got pregnant so just never got around to it.

We have to do it in the next year or so for other reasons. Just deciding whether to make a "thing" of it.

friedaklein · 25/08/2026 09:40

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 25/08/2026 09:37

@friedaklein WTF does 'decently married' mean?

British born muslims are part of the 'British born Asian' group you refer to and a recent Channel 4 survey showed 60-66% of their marriages were not legally binding (religious marriage only) so would not count under these rules.

Reform are horrendous and these kind of nonsense make things more divisive and worse. We all need to be treated respectfully regardless of marital status.

Edited

I am joking. I thought that was obvious.
I don't care if people are married or not.
In fact, I think single mums should get priority.

friedaklein · 25/08/2026 09:39

Warmlight1 · 25/08/2026 09:37

I'm happy for you all! But seriously this was the case in my community ( speaking very generally) but one generation later looks back on multiple divorces and a lot of women putting up with stuff they oughtn't have.

No, I absolutely agree women put up with what they shouldn't have and I am all in favour of divorce being easier for Asian women.

Warmlight1 · 25/08/2026 09:37

friedaklein · 25/08/2026 09:32

It's all us Asians who will get priority! We are all decently married and guess what: British born. 😀

I'm happy for you all! But seriously this was the case in my community ( speaking very generally) but one generation later looks back on multiple divorces and a lot of women putting up with stuff they oughtn't have.

OP posts:
faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 25/08/2026 09:37

@friedaklein WTF does 'decently married' mean?

British born muslims are part of the 'British born Asian' group you refer to and a recent Channel 4 survey showed 60-66% of their marriages were not legally binding (religious marriage only) so would not count under these rules.

Reform are horrendous and these kind of nonsense make things more divisive and worse. We all need to be treated respectfully regardless of marital status.

friedaklein · 25/08/2026 09:32

It's all us Asians who will get priority! We are all decently married and guess what: British born. 😀