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How can reckless teenage driving be prevented?

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UncleColm · 24/08/2026 10:31

We had that terrible crash recently in the UK which resulted in 7 deaths - RIP to the two Police Officers who were on duty.

In Ireland we had a very similar crash the previous week where five boys died - aged 15 to 17. All were wearing balaclavas at the time of the crash and were 'well known' to Guards. The family they crashed into were three sisters and a seven year old son of one of the sisters (on the way to the airport go to a family wedding) - they are all still in hospital and are very seriously injured.

The previous week, in Ireland, a car carrying eight teenage boys aged from as young as 13 crashed into a car being driven in the correct direction by one young man who is now seriously injured.

The boys seem to be from a mix of poor areas and Travellers. In death they are being celebrated by their families but where were these families when they were alive? Who lets their teenage boy out all night? And let's them produce tiktoks of their 'exploits'? Parental supervision is clearly not in place.

How can this reckless driving behaviour be stopped?

In Ireland there is a huge shortage of jail spaces and places to detain a child under 18. These kids couldn't care less if the Guards catch them - sure what's another Juvenile Caution to them? One of the boys who died was supposed to stay in his own County but had ignored it. They have no fear of the Guards or the law.

I work in a school and there is a huge amount of help available to Traveller children in particular but they still tend to not engage with any after school activities, don't do homework, don't go on school trips, leave school early, high absence rate, etc.

I read recently that, in Ireland, 50% of Travellers don't live beyond 39. In 2026 this a shocking statistic. I don't know what the statistics are for the poor, disadvantaged areas but I do know that the taxpayers provide Social Housing, child benefit, medical cards, free education, free school books and hot lunches, back to school allowances and a whole other host of allowances. There are many initiatives available to help people to stay in education and gain independence.

What more can be done? Is there any way of reaching these young males?

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InQuiresandplaceswheretheysing · 24/08/2026 14:03

A limit on the engine size for a few years after passing their test. No new driver needs to drive a big powerful car. And a ban on carrying multiple passengers for at yeast a year after getting a license.

Netcurtainnelly · 24/08/2026 14:03

BoredZelda · 24/08/2026 13:53

And yet here you are, on social media, engaging with it and everything. On a site where it is abundantly clear money is the main driver and the active feed is manipulated to serve up the most goady posts, which inevitably lead to more engagement.

What kind of “strength” do you want the country to display?

Several viral TikTok crazes have caused severe physical harm, property damage, or legal trouble. The platform has repeatedly hosted dangerous physical stunts, toxic ingestions, and destructive pranks that put participants and innocent people at risk.

I wonder about you and your age maturity if you think this is Ok and it bears no comparison to typing on a parenting forum.

You think what ThickTok promotes is ok do you?
Are you ok if one of the stunts they promote kills YOU or your family?

Would the owners of the sites that promote dangerous stunts and people being killed be happy for their children to see these things?

Of course there is a lot more that can be done. We need a Zero tolerance to idiots who want to film harmful and illegal stunts.

Facebook have just been in court, so it is possible.

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SleeplessRoads · 24/08/2026 13:58

A move to self driving cars only would solve this.

But in the meantime, let’s make parents accountable for the actions of their children up until they’re 21. These people weren’t studious kids who woke up and stole a car and killed people. We haven’t lost a cure for cancer here - these are scrotes who will never contribute to society as they’ve had no values instilled in them. Parenting should be taken much more seriously.

But at the end of the day, this was probably the fault of a 23 year old man and there’s not
much you can do at that point with our justice system - they’re allowed to get away with crime after crime until it escalates. It doesn’t even have anything to do with driving.

Backedoffhackedoff · 24/08/2026 13:58

Loulou4022 · 24/08/2026 13:56

Sounds like you just want the situation to continue?

There is no situation. It’s an isolated in incident. The statistics show that

Loulou4022 · 24/08/2026 13:56

Backedoffhackedoff · 24/08/2026 13:52

the fact that people go to prison for reckless driving didn’t put these kids off did it?

Sounds like you just want the situation to continue?

dustabsorber · 24/08/2026 13:56

Interesting developments on the BBC website. One of the 5 had previous for assaulting police officer. Plus the police have arrested 12 others in connection with the crash.

boredwithfoodprob · 24/08/2026 13:55

I think the Government has to take charge with this as parents cannot always, despite often trying the best they can. There’s a limit to how much you can tell a 17 year old to do or not do. I have a 17 year old DS and I can’t control what he puts on Tik Tok or who he gets in a car with or what that driver does. The government need to bring in strict laws around young drivers, particularly young males who have recently passed their driving test.

Raspbellies · 24/08/2026 13:55

Black boxes (for everyone).
Dash cams

And a collosal amount of money put into traffic police, number plate recognition cameras and cracking down on ghost number plates and fake MOT's.

MermaidMummy06 · 24/08/2026 13:54

Not UK.We had a huge problem until recently. It's still an issue, but not anywhere near as bad.

We have strict restrictions. Provisional drivers licences for 3 years. Lower demerit points allowances, curfews, passenger limits, especially ages (except immediate family), limits on power, and if you hoon you lose your car for a period of time & too many times and it's forfeited (even if it's a parent's car). Huge fines.

We're also seeing reductions in teen car crime as the law has changed to charge them as adults. Before, there was no consequences and car theft was rife. I used to see at least two ripping along with 14 year olds behind the wheel on my suburban early morning walk, now I see none. It's still there and we'll never get rid of it, but restrictions & consequences, like jail, have deterrent the less determined.

Backedoffhackedoff · 24/08/2026 13:53

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2026 13:52

I was discussing this earlier with some parent friends - we are all in our 40’s.

I said if my ds did something like that he’d be having a direct cremation and I’d likely leave the area if not the country in shame having raised someone who thought this behaviour was ok.

Not posting on SM about balloon releases in his memory and about him being an angel, or having a funeral with large photos and pillars outside the church.

But I think the families reactions indicate the deep seated issues that have created these situations.

We see all the time “teens do these things “

we once managed to quell other socially negative stereotypes and I think we need to quell this one.

I honestly think this is awful parenting/ an awful attitude:

“I’d likely leave the area if not the country in shame having raised someone who thought this behaviour was ok”

shame is not a noble emotion. It’s highly damaging.

BoredZelda · 24/08/2026 13:53

Netcurtainnelly · 24/08/2026 13:46

It shouldn't be allowed to feed awful things, that's the point.
Country's so bloody weak.

I saw a headline this morning social media companies are being urged to take down videos
Urged it shouldn't be allowed in the first place. Unfortunately owners only care about money

Social media or unsocial media has been an awful thing for society and it's got too big . Far too big and unregulated.

And yet here you are, on social media, engaging with it and everything. On a site where it is abundantly clear money is the main driver and the active feed is manipulated to serve up the most goady posts, which inevitably lead to more engagement.

What kind of “strength” do you want the country to display?

Ophy83 · 24/08/2026 13:53

smoothorangejuice · 24/08/2026 10:56

Teenagers are in general completely out of control in the UK, driving recklessly is only the tip of the iceberg. Many problems are deep rooted; mix a bit of alcohol and drug use, basically no way out.

I don't think this is true of teenagers in general. Some, certainly. And there is definitely an element of balaclava wearing yobs riding fast motorised bikes on the cycle lanes in my town, I suspect they are dealing/county lines involvement.

But most teenagers are lovely. Kind and thoughtful, interesting to talk to.

Backedoffhackedoff · 24/08/2026 13:52

Loulou4022 · 24/08/2026 13:50

If they threw the book at them it might put others off in the future!!

the fact that people go to prison for reckless driving didn’t put these kids off did it?

smoothorangejuice · 24/08/2026 13:52

BoredZelda · 24/08/2026 13:40

I noted the statistics to combat the assertion that things are getting worse. They are not, they are getting better.

The number has reduced from over 25,000 young men being killed or seriously injured to around 5,000. I see a reduction of 20,000 over lives being impacted as quite a success and is a testament to the work that has been put in by campaigning groups and governments to make that difference. The trend is still downward, numbers will likely continue to fall. It will never be zero, but we have to balance the needs of young people with their safety. We could bring the number to zero tomorrow by stopping anyone under the age of 25 from having a licence, that’s unrealistic. But we have to be careful with restrictions that are based on urban teenagers. Calling for a curfew might seem fine if you live in a city with great access to public transport, but that same ban stops rural youth from getting anywhere. I worked in a restaurant 15 miles away living in rural Scotland. If I couldn’t drive after 11pm, I couldn’t work. All of these things have been considered and whilst I think there is still more we can do, we are getting to the point where the balance between safety and ensuring young people have transport is harder to strike.

Ironically, the current shit show with driving tests means the current cohort of learner drivers will be the safest we’ve seen as they are having to learn for much longer than we ever did because they can’t get a test. One might think a mandatory number of learner hours would be a good thing, but again, this leaves many rural drivers at a disadvantage. Instructors are harder to find and often rural drivers come with more experience behind the wheel as there is far more opportunity for them legally to drive a vehicle on private land. I’d been driving with my dad from the age of 12. By the time I got to 17, I was already proficient in handling a car.

I’m sorry your experience of young people is scary. The ones I teach and work with are brilliant. Of course they have the confidence and hubris of youth, they think they know everything and will tell you that as often as they can. They aren’t afraid to try and fail, they are wet behind the ears yet full of optimism, knowing how they want their future to be. Is that any different to how you were when you were young? Older people back then thought we were scary too, but look at us now, running the world and denigrating young people all by ourselves! Try looking at them through the lens of the younger you, you’ll see the spark.

Thank you so much for taking the time to share this. You sound like a lovely adult that young people nowadays exactly need, given that you teach as well, your students are lucky to have you.

itsgettingweird · 24/08/2026 13:52

I was discussing this earlier with some parent friends - we are all in our 40’s.

I said if my ds did something like that he’d be having a direct cremation and I’d likely leave the area if not the country in shame having raised someone who thought this behaviour was ok.

Not posting on SM about balloon releases in his memory and about him being an angel, or having a funeral with large photos and pillars outside the church.

But I think the families reactions indicate the deep seated issues that have created these situations.

We see all the time “teens do these things “

we once managed to quell other socially negative stereotypes and I think we need to quell this one.

CraftyNavySeal · 24/08/2026 13:51

SunnyRedSnail · 24/08/2026 10:58

The whole system needs changing.

I've taught in a secondary school for 13 years and you just know which kids will end up in trouble. Often due to no/poor boundaries at home.

I think they need to bring back either a military service, or borstal/military style boarding schools from age 14 where kids are given training, discipline, taught self respect, learn life skills etc... these should be compulsory for any child caught committing an illegal act, or an option to a child who is struggling in a main stream school who would benefit from a more active education.

Equally I knew some lads like this when I was at school and I don’t think it’s as simple as bad parenting for all cases.

One boy ended up in prison for stabbing his neighbour and he seemed to have no impulse control at all. It didn’t matter if teachers said “if you do x y will happen” he would do it anyway and then complain about his punishment.

Even as 11/12 year olds we could all sense that something was not right with him.

Its not always the parents but even when it is, it’s likely some deep inherited dysfunction that’s hard to unpack.

BoredZelda · 24/08/2026 13:50

Backedoffhackedoff · 24/08/2026 13:47

I don’t really make Anything of it tbh. You don’t make policy or law based on isolated incidents

Agreed. That way, madness lies.

Loulou4022 · 24/08/2026 13:50

Backedoffhackedoff · 24/08/2026 13:27

Well they’re not going to throw the book at them before they steal the car are they?

If they threw the book at them it might put others off in the future!!

BoredZelda · 24/08/2026 13:48

Netcurtainnelly · 24/08/2026 13:42

If you bring them up properly they won't go down that road at all. Pardon the Pun. 😭

What was a 16 year old doing out at that time of the night?

Total lack of parental care or control.

They should be publicly shamed on the TV and made to apologise for their sons behaviour. It won't bring anyone back but it will show we are holding people accountable and naming them.

It's to easy at the moment to have a child and not to take on the responsibility of raising them. Teaching them manners and respect etc. Finding good roles models.

Until It happens there is no chance.parents are fading quietly into the background and could even go in to have more children. So it goes on.these teens were a great advert as to why so people don't want children. It's not the be all and end all in life.

How old are your teenagers? Do they have friends you spend time with? None of their parents seem absent, in fact they are way more present than mine ever were.

Gen X were raised by MTV and the key under the mat. Kicked out at 9am, parents out working, they’d be home at some point. I could easily slip out of by bedroom window for an hour or two at night and they would be none the wiser.

We seem to have a set of schrodinger’s parents now, both too involved, helicoptering, overbearing and also letting their children run feral, never knowing where they are at the same time.

Backedoffhackedoff · 24/08/2026 13:47

smoothorangejuice · 24/08/2026 13:45

Wow you are so informed on global road safety, I really appreciate that. So what do you make of the recent accidents then? Maybe we are overreacting a bit

I agree with the Education route, but we are clearly also failing that.

I don’t really make Anything of it tbh. You don’t make policy or law based on isolated incidents

Netcurtainnelly · 24/08/2026 13:46

BoredZelda · 24/08/2026 13:43

In China, the algorithms for their version of TikTok only serve up information to young people about doing community good. I’d love it if Meta et al did a similar thing on their platforms. Unfortunately we are part of the problem as we prefer to see drama so that’s what it feeds us.

It shouldn't be allowed to feed awful things, that's the point.
Country's so bloody weak.

I saw a headline this morning social media companies are being urged to take down videos
Urged it shouldn't be allowed in the first place. Unfortunately owners only care about money

Social media or unsocial media has been an awful thing for society and it's got too big . Far too big and unregulated.

DaisyDooley · 24/08/2026 13:45

GCAcademic · 24/08/2026 11:00

Nothing will be done. We have a system that prefers to give out unlimited child benefit and other handouts to encourage these feral people to produce more vile scrotes who threaten the safety of the taxpayers who support them. Apparently, it's not kind to expect them to take responsibility for their own lives and behaviour.

This.
100%.
STOP giving benefits to people who produce child after child and never ever work and never parent their kids.
MUCH tougher measures for low level crime -including loosing your social housing. Take the kids into care and let the adults fend for themselves.
Time for some serious FAFO.

allthemind · 24/08/2026 13:45

Black boxes for everyone under 21/23.

Linked to insurance/police control centre?

The problem is these were feral kids whose families dgaf about the law, insurance etc. All were in stolen cars?

Dunno what you do about that.

smoothorangejuice · 24/08/2026 13:45

Backedoffhackedoff · 24/08/2026 13:24

It’s one of the safest in the world. Only Norway and Sweden have fewer deaths. We’re not comparing to low income countries we’re comparing to everywhere

Wow you are so informed on global road safety, I really appreciate that. So what do you make of the recent accidents then? Maybe we are overreacting a bit

I agree with the Education route, but we are clearly also failing that.

Netcurtainnelly · 24/08/2026 13:43

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/08/2026 13:25

TBH I doubt that the sort of reckless boys/young men, who think it’s fun to drive cars (their own or stolen) the wrong way down motorways at 100 mph, will take a blind bit of notice of any rules at all. I dare say a lot of the ‘fun’ is doing anything that’s illegal or otherwise disapproved of.

This,

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