How can reckless teenage driving be prevented?

Not that unusual. I know quite a few other ladies who became mothers in their teens who are responsible normal people. Even people who don’t become young parents will be getting jobs going to college or uni. At what point do you cut the apron strings.
Are we really going to keep pushing draconian laws to punish the majority just while we skirt around the issue that these boys were probably little shits before this happened and should of been sent to a borstal

I think you meant the pp? Sweden is still capitalist.

Haha you’ve posted on this thread a fair bit, I’m not keeping you busy.

Sweden still isn’t as you describe.

Ooft! I’m too busy for you today, you took up way too much much of my time yesterday. 😂

I enjoyed it though, thanks for engaging. 😍

Also East Sussex. West Sussex only has a few miles of motorway (M23), and it's on the eastern edge of the county.

4 out of the 5 lads had previous.

Sweden is a social democracy.

It is still way more of a socialist utopia that we are (or could be without a massive change). The point being, their socialism hasn’t led to a society like ours.

I think you're confused, in a socialist state "all animals are equal", the states like Russia and North Korea that claim to be socialist, despite being dictatorships, add the extra bit "but some animals are more equal than others".

Indeed, if anything, I think drivers should be forced to take lessons on our rural roads. People day tripping from towns have little clue!

Ironically, we also found it really difficult in central Scotland to get our girl dual carriageway experience when learning. The closest non-motorway stretch is about an hour away. Every big road around us is motorway.

Ok but in Sweden the model looks very very different. Though it's not the socialist utopia it was cracked up to be these days.

It seems as though generations of "safety net" in this country has morphed into something else entirely. Perhaps it reveals something not very nice in the British national character.

It’s not a socialist as it gets. There’s countries with far greater control than that. Plus it’s still capitalist unlike North Korea.

They were seen as ‘loveable rouges!’

I don’t think it has anything to do with policy, it’s about culture. Sweden is as socialist as it gets, but at the heart of their culture is doing the best you can for the benefit of society at large. They didn’t have government restrictions during lock down, but their movement of people tracked at that time was very similar to that of the U.K. It wouldn’t have worked here, but has nothing to do with socialism.

I was going to make the same point regarding young people doing jobs that involve working unsocial hours.

It would also make it very difficult for those in rural areas, where public transport varies from pisspoor to non-existent, to get to work or college at all, and prevent them from getting any job where driving is required.

The Krays have has some of the best PR around. The romanticisation is of epic proportions.

2 of the 17 year olds were arrested previously for driving without a licence.

So even if you put measures in place not like everyone would follow them..

Yes this is a big issue, I have a similar background to yourself & my family's attitude towards Police etc was disgusting & the disrespect filters down to the children, alongside this is that when these kid's get in trouble with the Police there is no shame, they are celebrated.

@Hossunat what a miserable thing to have to listen to fifteen times a day. They will be the same parents who have ranted at sports coaches / referees / teachers/ school admin staff / other parents /volunteers at cubs or brownies through the child's life since about the age of three because "my child wouldn't do that / I don't believe you/ it's your fault because you spoke to him in the wrong way etc. etc. etc." Most teenagers are great, they tend to be the ones who have been taught how to respect others and not see themselves as the big I am.

Thankyou. I’ve not read that but am avid reader so will add it to my list.

Now that would be an interesting MN discussion. People who are likely to contribute nothing to society and indeed seem hell bent on making it much worse. The type of people that most of Mumsnet use their money to avoid under the guise of 'prioritising their DCs education and access to cultural enrichment'. Should they be prevented from reproducing?

Sterilise the ferals. This generation is lost but you can stop more being bred .

It would stop some people's fun but cars need to not be able to go over a certain speed. It's ridiculous that cars can go well over the speed limit anyway!

I really liked “we need to talk about Kevin” because it showed the mum who supported her son despite him committing a school massacre and killing his family. Because I think I’d be the same. It’s hard to imagine being ashamed of your children, finding it more important that strangers know how much you disapprove rather than doing the best you can with your child- be that in their memory, or whilst they’re in prison.

rather than run away in shame how much more powerful would it be to tell your story to young men in schools/ colleges/ young offenders centres and try and change their course of their lives?

despite the idea being ridiculed on another thread I have experience of a colleague whilst child was murdered and that’s what they do. Raise awareness, support the community.

That’s admirable. Not running away in shame

So who is her toddler copying all the swearing from?

No prizes for guessing….
It’s so depressing, though.