How can reckless teenage driving be prevented?

I’m not so sure, given the ongoing in Cleveland. I think it maybe more to do with what they are carrying and who else is connected. The youths in the car are the ‘tip of the iceberg’ and will not want to be the lead to larger groups of criminals.

Cleveland Police have arrested 12 people in connection with the youths who died in the crash on the A66. Described as organised crime, arrests of nine men and three women, aged 19-61, firearms involved.

They are starting to do this with electric motorcycles.

The APPGC&W report that I referred to earlier also recommended other actions re electric motorcycles including cracking down on online sales & ending the off-road exemption for selling motorcycles. The government hasn’t yet acted on this recommendation although judging by comments on my local paper’s FB etc this probably be quite popular.

They are stolen

Remote disabling would be brilliant.

Imagine if this could be done from the police car regardless of whether plates are cloned or not.

I wonder that too. I can only assume it’s the thrill of the chase, and “beating” the police. No biggie if they get caught, because the sentences are pathetic, they’ll just do it again after they’ve been in court.

And to be fair, when any government tries to raise taxes the opinions around the rise are always so negative.

This morning’s headlines ‘Burnham has not ruled out Autumn tax rises’ - we can’t have it all ways, if we want public services we need to accept tax rises to pay for more police, better social services, more youth offending institutions, prisons etc.

Police pursuits need to make more use of technology, such as drones and remote disabling, which uses systems many modern cars have such as GPS and built in cellular connections to either decelerate or prevent restarts. We’ll never get rid of scrotes, but the tech already exists to make their shenanigans far more difficult, we just need to use it.

Then crush a car from the address they live at

In many such cases, it's not their cars but someone else's.

There is another incident now being reported in which the driver of a black Audi failed to stop for the police, and has now crashed into a Ford Puma. Driver of the Audi is dead and the female driver of the Puma is in hospital.

This is all very scary. They don't care about anything at all. The normal rules of society for these men are completely non existent.

Crush their cars

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Fair enough, then - probably just wishful thinking on my part. I suppose it figures that the crash is likely to happen very quickly on any kind of busy road; but do they really value less than a minute of the thrill more than their own lives - let alone anybody else's lives?

One thing I don't get, though - and I may well have misunderstood something: if their main reason for entering the main road and racing away in the wrong direction is to evade the police, why are they actually bothered about evading them when they clearly receive laughable to no sentences, even when they are caught? It might make a little more sense if the gamble was to avoid 20 years in prison; but when they obviously have very little to fear from the authorities anyway, why is it worth dying for?

I also resent the daily mail accusation. Cheap shot that makes you look like a twat.

Erm no @Ncforthis2267 . Isn’t it about making things safer? Thieves will be thieves. Joy riders will be joy riders. It’s not just about these tragic few weeks. Read the statistics especially about accidents and male drivers under 21. Surely as a society we would like to allow all people over 17 to drive safely. So have your own car. Under 1 litre. Meet your friends and have fun. I wasn’t suggesting anything other than safer times on the road.

I don't think there is a way. We can put in some more measures but they will just be ignored by these kinds of knob heads. They want to cause trouble and don't care the consequences, the cars are stolen half the time so saying black box isn't much use is it. There needs to be serious consequences from a young age then it may nip it in the bud. I see loads of feral teens around my area, they walk down the street kicking cars they dont give a shit about adults telling them off. I don't know what the answer is really. I'd like to get a taser and taser the little bastards.

Yes it's a grim job. Of course any customer service phone role will be depressing but when you're dealing with angry parents calling up to rage on behalf of their teenagers it's next level horrid. The turnover is ridiculous. I've thankfully been promoted so I'll be moving to an admin role.

The parents refuse to believe their kids do anything wrong. They will call up and scream "You cancelled my lad's policy and now other insurance companies are quoting him £5000 you fucking c*nts!!!" and then I'll politely explain "Damian's black box recorded him doing 50 miles per hour on a 30 mile per hour road, therefore we are unable to continue offering him cover." Cue more verbal abuse about how we're thieves and about how we've ruined young Damian's life because he can no longer drive his Corsa to college and now has to get the bus...

Not all of the teens we deal with are like that thankfully. You get ones are very anxious and desperate not to do anything wrong and they will call up in a panic saying "I think I accidentally went 1 mile over the speed limit I just wanted to let you know and I'm really sorry". It tends to be the delinquent ones who get their parents to phone up for them.

Ten seconds after they entered the carriageway and the pursuit was called off according to the statement from the IOPC.

No time at all, especially not to mobilise other vehicles.

I’m not convinced by the socialism angle - one of the points made on the R5 phone-in was that this type of driving has become more likely due to reductions in police as drivers know that they won’t be caught. Cutting police numbers was a coalition policy.

My understanding is they crashed within about 30 seconds of entering the motorway.

There was no way to clear it or call for snow ploughs.

This might sound hard-line, and would take some organisation; but one way that innocent people could be protected from criminal death-riders - once the authorities are aware that they're racing the wrong way down a road - would be to send three (or more if more lanes) snow ploughs, fire engines or similar the correct way, all totally legally, from the next junction along. Warnings of long delays could be given on the overhead gantries, owing to a vehicle travelling in the wrong direction.

Essentially, if death-riders have made the choice that people in a vehicle(s) must die as a result of their 'fun', at least it will only be themselves who die and are taken out of doing anything like this again. To emphasise, the massive heavy vehicles will be acting perfectly safely and in accordance with the law; the only single reason why the criminals will die is as a result of their express decision to go death-riding... but at least they won't take any innocent lives away with them.

So the criminals who steal cars and race the wrong way down motorways and dual carriageways would 'only' be able to crash into innocent motorists at a combined 132mph?

Some of the boys in the Irish crashes were from the travelling community - if
not all - and reported to be part of the lucky dip gang.

Im not sure about this crash.

Often called "socialist" by the public, countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Finland are actually market-based capitalist economies

If you look it up you’ll see North Korea and Cuba fit the line as socialist as you can get.

Why do you mention Travellers?

Sweden's political system is social democracy, not the I'll trouser as much as I can, sod the rest you, system as espoused by the Tories, Reform and both parties in the USA.