How can reckless teenage driving be prevented?

Effectively it is, isn't it? Driving without due care and attention. Issue is that if the police take pursuit they can aggravate the situation and are more likely to trigger an accident, so they are damned if they respond, damned if they don’t. And given that these kids end up dead themselves, criminal liability is futile?

What about when you’re a confused old lady?

How about killing someone by intentionally driving the wrong way should be an automatic murder sentence.

The eldest two were 23. And the car was stolen. Not sure you can do much about this level of stupidity, recklessness or the likelihood they were drunk/high, sadly. I do think SM also needs to be made responsible - tiktok/insta etc need to take down any and all videos glorifying dangerous driving, hanging/death dare games etc and be prosecutable under some sort of law.

I have always felt that parents should be legally liable for the actions of their offspring and stand in the dock beside them, and only be let off if they can produce expert testimony as to the efforts taken and support obtain to manage their children (ie, they’ve initiated and proactively worked with school GP, social services etc to try and manage their child’s behaviour). They are legally liable to feed, clothe etc and even beyond 18 are expected to financially support them in higher education, so why not be held culpable for their actions if it is obviously that poor/inadequate parenting is in part to blame?

Someone died in a crash caused by his reckless driving? It’s totally related to the conversation

Cant imagine any current scenario that prevents cars being stolen and driven illegally.
Dont think the technology has been invented yet...when it is expect the bad guys to be able to get round it quite soon after.

Thats correct. The pursuit was called off and seconds later the other police car, which wasnt involved and was driving on the correct side of the road, was hit by the stolen car.
Tragic for those 2 men, both fathers of young children 😢

I agree. (Except I am a very decent, professional single parent (through no fault of my own) who has brought up two, amazing boys).

I would add, accountability of parents, from the child being young. More social workers, tougher measures including removal of benefits, much more onus on fathers to pay for their own child, harsher sentences for drug and other criminal offences.

This requires taxes to improve services including building youth institutions and prisons, employ more social workers. (Who also have to be accountable).

The driver who killed 2 policemen was 23.

Worse than that in Scotland, Kate Nevans MSP Edinburgh and Lothians East, wants all prisons abolished. List candidate so no one actually voted for her specifically. She's Equalities (and international) spokesperson.

Q Manivannan is the Culture spokesperson (doesn't even know Scottish law never mind culture) for the same region, no one voted for him either. Yet this is the shitshow in charge.

What the heck has Diogo Jota, beloved Liverpool player and father of three got to do with teenage car thieves. People speed all the time.

OK. So they don't get any of the benefits of a functioning society. No social housing, no UC, no Internet, no social media. No use of the roads. Nothing.

This is too much and will be unsuccessful because it’s overwhelming and trying to do too much.

you can target resolving teen reckless driving without needing to change the world. It doesn’t work like that.

Curfew for drivers under the age of 21. 17 is too young to be responsible driving a car.

Education and awareness is proven to change behaviour but you don’t get snap your fingers and it happens- it takes decades to change society. Look at drink driving.

This.

We have a divided society. Those who want to be a part of a functioning society. Those who couldn’t give a fuck.

DD best friend was killed last year when a 19 year old driver showing off to his mate by zig zagging lost control, mounted the pavement and killed her - she was 21. He pleaded guilty last month to death by dangerous driving. Needless to say the fall out has been massive, parents, family and friends left devastated and a life robbed because of the foolish actions of a stupid teenager. He will have this on his conscious forever and I cannot fathom how that will feel plus of course his prison sentence and for what? A moment of youthful madness.

And local policing should tackle the incredibly anti-social behaviour of stupid car meetups at night, where young people with supped up cars, bomb around empty car parks or even carriage ways every weekend. All filmed and shown on TikTok and not only total noise nuicanse to neighbours but so dangerous.

In my area, the local police claim they haven't got the necessary ANPR equipment to tackle it. FFS

Who pays and how is this being funded? Not all cars are compatible with such software, some don't even have inbuilt sat nav or still required an actual key to be turned in the ignition. Older drivers might not even have a smartphone if using Bluetooth tech on an app for this.

In a world where we'd all be microchipped and DNA coded and no one would be able to steal anything or enter anyone else's property without being scanned and approved first. Cars would be self driving and criminals wouldn't be permitted access or able to speed or kill anyone including themselves. Apparently to most of MNs that's a dystopian nightmare though.

Exactly. The thugs that are doing this are driving stolen vehicles so as if they're going to give two hoots about insurance or dash cams or any laws intended to improve safety for new drivers and other road users.

The police and legal system need to stop pandering to lawless travelling communities. And come down hard on the parents.

It’s a pointless point. The car was stolen, had fake plates and seriously you think changing the law to
upping the driving age is gonna stop people like that?! That suggests that they are law abiding citizens in the first place when it couldn’t be further from the truth!
Given their track record it was sadly only a matter of time before something like this happened.
What needs to change? The law needs to change in regards to tougher sentences to stamp on antisocial, organised crime activity. They had histories. They thought they could get away with it, because they had been getting away with it. The videos on their social media show past police chases. And social media needs taking into consideration- no idea how - but the glorifying of police chases and a ‘gangsta’ lifestyle needs clamping down on.
And lastly the parenting. All I’m seeing all over social media is these men being glorified and balloon releases etc!!
I’m local. I’m a parent of a young police officer. And my god there’s so so much I want to say about this! I am so so angry.

That's what I thought too, the police chase was through residential streets (there is doorbell cam footage) and they stopped when the car headed onto the motorway.

The other police car was hit head on.

@UncleColm There are no laws these criminals won't break, wasn't that long ago 3 traveller boys walked free after gang raping a 12 year old girl because the judge decided they were too stupid to understand.

What's the answer? Mass sterilisation of everyone with a low IQ or learning disabilities? Isn't there a word for that ...

Maybe arming the police is needed, but then the parents of the driver would claim wrongful death and sue.

Law abiding people are going to become terrified of driving at night though.

This is basically what my 80 year old dad said to me about it, he thinks that national service is what’s needed

Its about stopping kids getting so out of control in the first place. A kid doesn't just wake up one day and go for a joyride. Lots of parents have zero control over their children and hide behind labels and just genuinely don't give a shit what their children do. Start fining parents for their childrens behaviour then the parents might step up.

...or that young person decides to make a run for it.