How can reckless teenage driving be prevented?

Dock/ refuse benefits of both parents and adult children. Remove council house. Community service for parents. Hit them in the pocket.

Of course it shouldn’t be “only men”, I was pointing out that your comment about it “this being MN” and implying sexism is ridiculous.

It’s not something we’ve pulled out of thin air to just blame the poor menfolk for. The statistics (and they’re not my statistics) speak for themselves.

The army doesn’t want/need a bunch of reprobates in their midst

So you’ve proved my point about why it shouldn’t be men only with your statistics. I didn’t say it wasn’t mostly men, that wasn’t my point.

Why isn’t Farage telling us the miracles he would perform to make sure this never happens again? After all, he thinks he is the absolute authority of what British perfection looks like.

Rhetorical question: the perps in this case don’t fit his idea of “bad guys”, so he has nothing to say.

I work with this cohort (dangerous driving teens) and I’d say underneath all the not giving a fuck is an absolute feeling of hopelessness. They have shitty parents, probably witnessed or been victims of abuse, learn from their environment (social media) and generally don’t have any prospects.

Some of the traveller boys I work with didn’t even know about ‘mainstream’ jobs or the process of getting a job (ie CV, interview) and say that no one would hire them anyway due to discrimination. Yes they are dicks, but there is a real lack of opportunity to get out of where you came from. Not saying that specifically about Travellers btw, just poverty crime and addiction in general.

id start by banning Snapchat and censoring TikTok. Also having a hard line on balloon usage as it’s a trend to do this while driving

But they can join the army at 17 and be killing people with machine guns at 20. Risk their lives to defend our country, but but be too irresponsible to take their mum shopping, or pick up their partner from work?

OK. 🙄

We have a professional army /navy /airforce, they don't want a lot of criminals with minimal intelligence and education. Let's leave that sort of thing to the Putin, recruiting from prisons hasn't exactly helped his "special operation" has it.

I don't think that it's solely about the driving, it's the criminal element.

I think that kid's that have been involved in serious criminal activity 3 times before the age of 18 should be forced to do at least 2 years of national service in the armed forces.

They need an actual deterrent. Keep them out of prison as they're full and they learn more criminal behaviour. Put them in the army instead once they're 16. And, yes, for younger kids that are persistent offenders...army style borstal.

Actually the laws around passengers in some states in the US does show an impact. Fewer fatalities. For these men it is unlikely to have made a difference as it sounds like it was related to crime. But changing the laws in line with the research on adolescent brain development does reduce accidents and fatalities at the time of life when you are most likely to have a significant accident.

All of which would only be effective if everyone obeyed the law but a large majority of the scrotes who are involved on high speed chases etc don't give a damn what the law says, they steal cars or have cars that are untaxed/uninsured. All these changes would do is make life more difficult for the decent members of society.

Maybe the police can be allowed to treat all members of society the same and not go softly softly on some communities because of their cultural flaws.

I'd like to see the age for driving increased. It's unlikely to have made a difference in these cases but generally speaking I think 17 is too young.

Put a limit of 75 on all cars ??

I think in these days of technology it should be possible for each car to have a cutout that can be police activated.

Most of these cars that are used are stolen anyway. The cutouts can be hidden (like trackers) where they are difficult to find and then activated in the event of a chase.

Of course there will always be people who complain that they don't want police to be able to shut their car down, but I think enough people would do it optionally for it to make a significant difference rather than force the technology on people.

There are so many issues around this I don’t think most of us can understand what’s going on. I’m deeply concerned that there was a 17 year old in that car with two men in their early 20s. I’m not excusing anyone but i can’t imagine my 17 year old joyriding with someone 6!years older than them. A 17 and a 23 year old online we would say that 17 year okds been groomed. There is obviously a lot more going on than just joyriding in Middlesbrough that set of a series of events.

for most is us that have teens with pretty simple lives - I have a rule with mine they are not allowed in any of their friends cars and vice versa until that have several years experience.

Statistically, young men are the riskiest drivers. Something like 80% of all young driver fatalities are young males.

It’s nothing to do with it “being MN”.

Weird that you say men only but then this is MN I suppose, I’d 100% blanket rules across all. There’s a 17/18 girl who lives on the street I drive on to get to ours and she drives like a maniac.

As far as I’m aware that’s never been proven. Police said “probably” and eye witnesses disagreed.

I agree. But reports coming out about this crashing wasn’t SM led joy ride but rather rival criminals in a chase that resulted in them going the wrong way to get away iyswim?

That’s worrying about Stockton though - especially daytime when there’s more cars about.

There’s currently another car driving down the road the wrong way in Stockton. I think this is going to go on for a while.

I’ve seen reports that the 5 died were chasing another “gang” (although that word wasn’t used) who had rammed the house of the father of one of the boys in the crash prior and the boys were chasing that group.

With all the other arrests this appears to be a huge criminal operation and something tells me those boys who died have uncovered a lot of information that have led police to those arrests and because they are dead already others will be on the chopping board for revenge.

Hence this latest incident and - quite rightly - the right lipped reporting on some details.

That’s a slightly different issue & changing the law is being considered due to the collisions like the Welsh one where 4 teenagers died. As said earlier on this thread, this will affect a lot of teens, & will be especially tough for people in areas without public transport. That might be why nothing has happened yet, but I think eventually the Government will be forced to take action if the collisions continue. It’s a similar situation with collisions & older drivers.

If they do eventually tighten the law for teenagers &/ pensioners, it may not affect the type of situation that happened on the A66, but may reduce collisions overall.

The only possibly conceivable way I could think of with bringing in much stricter laws could be if they were added conditions as a kind of second chance to people who had already committed a serious first offence, with the clear message that not keeping to them would mean an automatic very long prison sentence.

That said, it would still heavily rely on effective policing and proper enforcement of the law.

I’ve just read that two people have been killed in a house fire in Teeside, a murder investigation has been launched with police saying that a link to an organised crime group cannot be ruled out.

The fire was less than two miles from the A66 crash site and follows the arrest of seventeen people following a major investigation into the crash.

What on earth is going on?

Hmm not sure bringing in new, stricter laws for young drivers who have passed their test and pay road tax and insurance is going to make much of an impact in circumstances like this. Both crashed were caused by people who nearly all had some kind of criminal record. The cars they were in were stolen. They were never going to be affected by tougher laws because they didn’t care. The only “positive” thing about any of these 10 men and boys is at least they didn’t kill or hurt anyone else and they never ever will again.