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Upper Middle Class not well travelled AIBU?

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Tabbytiger122 · 23/08/2026 22:23

There are some very wealthy folk we know & some I'm acquaintances with on fb from college. All seem to run off similar schedule for holidays... Christmas skiing in France/Switzerland (same place every year) Midterm said place again, summer is always spent somewhere in France ,Italy or Greece (but always the same town)
That's it never different countries... it seems to me they are not well travelled & that familiarity is more important than going somewhere new for the heck of it! Aibu?

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FaceEatingLeopard · 24/08/2026 11:06

Megifer · 23/08/2026 22:44

Whats with all these "I saw someone eat Cornflakes at 11.30am AIBU to think this is unusual?" type fart arse threads on here recently?

This right here is a question that needs answering asap. It's sapping my will to live, that's for sure.

Calliopespa · 24/08/2026 11:05

Hellohelga · 24/08/2026 10:46

I agree, that’s my retirement goal, to travel all over the UK. Before kids I did backpacking all over the place. With kids it was easy holidays in Europe. Retirement is the UK. Never even been to Northern Ireland.

It sounds a lovely way to spend retirement!

IndestructibleRubberplants · 24/08/2026 11:05

F63C · 24/08/2026 10:57

It could be argued that only the 'lower orders' are concerned that they look well travelled. The UMC (whatever that is) don't give a shiny Range Rover what anyone else thinks about them so they just do whatever they want.

Indeed it could be - but one of the posters below believed the UMC travelled to the same places every year to strengthen their social class. - which doesn't square up with doing whatever they want.😂
I don't believe that most UC people don't care how they look to others who they see as equals or above them.
But they might not care how they appear to people they believe are below them - but I've heard too many stories about their behaviour to believe otherwise.

BillieWiper · 24/08/2026 11:04

Who cares? Maybe they own property in one of the countries they visit regularly?

I don't think knowing a couple of people on Facebook means you can judge an entire class of people as not well travelled. Surely many will have had a gap year or two travelling in Asia/Aus/S. america when they were teens or early 20s?

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 24/08/2026 10:57

There’s a lot of relaxation in familiarity.
Sure, I go on holidays where I can’t speak the language, navigate unfamiliar cities and unfamiliar transport systems. I also like to return to somewhere I know, where to eat, what the entertainment is, what the weather will be like, what’s on for kids, what the cost will be … Hell, we went to the same place every summer for six years at one point. It was only Covid that curtailed the 7th year.

F63C · 24/08/2026 10:57

It could be argued that only the 'lower orders' are concerned that they look well travelled. The UMC (whatever that is) don't give a shiny Range Rover what anyone else thinks about them so they just do whatever they want.

MageKing · 24/08/2026 10:56

Hellohelga · 24/08/2026 10:42

It’s normally a uni education and a professional job - white collar - rather than a manual job - blue collar. But definitions vary. You can be middle class but not well off. You can be working class but well off. Go and look up the many MN threads debating this definition.

I think OP means professional people with plenty of money basically! Grin

WhatNextImScared · 24/08/2026 10:54

I recently discovered that a lot of people do this because they literally own an apartment in a ski resort and another house in a Mediterranean location. This is how rich people continue to grow assets while spending v little actual cash. Unrelatable to the vast majority of us.

Buti also hate going to the same place OP. Did it the last couple of years to indulge DH and felt like gouging my eyes out.

oldwhyno · 24/08/2026 10:52

For some people a holiday is not the place you go, but the things you do (and the things you don't).

ThisTealViewer · 24/08/2026 10:50

Travel looks different for everyone. Some people crave novelty. Others crave comfort. Neither is wrong. They've chosen places they love and keep going back. That's not 'not well travelled.' That's knowing what you like. If they were never leaving their hometown, that'd be different. But they're not. They're just not as adventurous as you might expect.

Monty36 · 24/08/2026 10:49

Perhaps they own chalets there ?

Hellohelga · 24/08/2026 10:46

Calliopespa · 24/08/2026 10:34

I honestly don't even feel I have "done" my own country.

I agree, that’s my retirement goal, to travel all over the UK. Before kids I did backpacking all over the place. With kids it was easy holidays in Europe. Retirement is the UK. Never even been to Northern Ireland.

Hellohelga · 24/08/2026 10:42

Helenbelena · 24/08/2026 10:26

What is ‘middle class’ defined as? A university degree?

How much money? £1m in assets/home?

It’s normally a uni education and a professional job - white collar - rather than a manual job - blue collar. But definitions vary. You can be middle class but not well off. You can be working class but well off. Go and look up the many MN threads debating this definition.

MageKing · 24/08/2026 10:40

I know a few families like this. And to a certain extent you're right. But I don't think it's because they're boring. It's almost always because they want reliability, comfort and relaxation. And as a couple of people have said, they often holiday with other families and it's a socialisation thing.

In many cases, they're also people who have "big" jobs with lots of stress and responsibility so the relaxation and reliability and comfort is a huge thing for them.

The ones I know are also very well travelled, but that's separate to their big familiy holidays. They've often travelled a lot when younger, both privately and for work, and then while their kids are relatively young, they revert to these easy, comfortable, relaxing holidays. But then it starts to get a bit different again as the kids get older - a city break in a new place etc.

But no, they're certainly not backpacking around India. They've either done it before when younger, visited for work or are not interested.

As a rule, DH and I aren't rushing back to the same places every time, but quite frankly, that's because while we have lovely holidays and I'm not complaining, we can't afford the kind of holiday that when we get there, it's "perfect". So we're always sort of looking for the next place that WILL be perfect. But realistically, unless our holiday budget gets bigger, that might not happen!

2026letsgo · 24/08/2026 10:40

I sort of agree but all the ones I know also spend a fortune visiting their young adult children in Australia, Canada, Scotland and wherever else they have ended up.

AnonyMumAuDHD · 24/08/2026 10:38

Helenbelena · 24/08/2026 10:28

Why are you asking specifically about ‘upper middle class’ rather than rich people?

I think because, despite OP’s protestations to the contrary, there is an underlying value judgment. The MCs are supposed to be more cultured and culture seeking? The wealthier MCs (what she calls ‘UMC’) have even less excuse for not being ‘well travelled’ because they have money.

It’s inverted snobbery. People access culture in many ways that aren’t linked to where and how they chose to holiday. Those things are generally more limited/shaped by whether you are salaried/self employed and limited in the amount of holiday you can take, whether you have kids (and are limited to school holidays and/or locations that are family friendly), whether you have SEN kids, whether you have a high stress job that already involves travel and just want R&R and time to reconnect with family, whether you have access to culture where you live and overseas experiences through work.

So, yes, OP is judging and finding ‘UMC’ people wanting if they don’t fit her definition of ‘well-travelled’.

LumpkinPumpkin · 24/08/2026 10:36

I think it sounds lovely to enjoy somewhere so much that you keep returning.

PinkKimonos · 24/08/2026 10:35

Dragonscaledaisy · 24/08/2026 10:14

These type of posts demonstrate how little understanding of wealth and its subtle signifiers most people on MN have. They're very telling.

Well, I agree — it’s not wealth signifiers, but class signifiers. I mean, I get that we’re talking people who go on holiday at least twice a year, but if there’s a family holiday home, possibly, in both places, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re wealthy. I mean, I hate skiing, and I’d class us as educated WC, but we have friends with a family chalet in the Swiss Alps we can use if we like in the winters, and have had the use of other people’s holiday homes in the past. All that means is that, because of going to Oxford, we have friends with family money and second homes.

Calliopespa · 24/08/2026 10:34

Hellohelga · 24/08/2026 10:23

Done to me means explore extensively as opposed to a single two week holiday.

I honestly don't even feel I have "done" my own country.

Dragonscaledaisy · 24/08/2026 10:34

IndestructibleRubberplants · 24/08/2026 10:18

But apparently they are quite happy to share their business on this thread in a not so subtle way. Funny that!

They're definitely not upper middle class though. That's the issue I assume.

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 24/08/2026 10:31

Who cares?!

Everyone does stuff differently depending on their preferences. Some like routine and familiarity and getting to know a place.

I go to Hastings every year 🤣

Helenbelena · 24/08/2026 10:28

Why are you asking specifically about ‘upper middle class’ rather than rich people?

Wingingit73 · 24/08/2026 10:27

So what?

Helenbelena · 24/08/2026 10:26

Hellohelga · 24/08/2026 10:20

It’s middle class people with lots of money.

What is ‘middle class’ defined as? A university degree?

How much money? £1m in assets/home?

Hellohelga · 24/08/2026 10:23

Calliopespa · 24/08/2026 09:27

What is also interesting is this terminology "done": we have "done this place."

It sounds like box-ticking more than really experiencing.

Done to me means explore extensively as opposed to a single two week holiday.