AIBU to question rising private school fees amid declining GCSE results

What I find particularly interesting in these multiple very similar threads is that apparently 1/3 of families are effectively stealing non means tested bursaries due to being friends or relatives of teachers when they are extremely well off and don’t need a discount, yet simultaneously the (presumably same) 1/3 of families are completely impoverished and dressed in rags.

Perhaps both of these theories are a little extreme and fee remissions are spread more evenly for a broader range of scenarios? Just a thought.

No, they haven't. But private schools DO pick the board with the greatest likelihood of achieving the best grade. E.g. do CIE internatinal English rather than AQA.

What I find particularly interesting in these multiple very similar threads is that apparently 1/3 of families are effectively stealing non means tested bursaries due to being friends or relatives of teachers when they are extremely well off and don’t need a discount, yet simultaneously the (presumably same) 1/3 of families are completely impoverished and dressed in rags.

Perhaps both of these theories are a little extreme and fee remissions are spread more evenly for a broader range of scenarios? Just a thought.

Parents don’t aways send kids to private schools for grades. You know that don’t you? It’s a much more enriching experience. They come out of it much happier and more confident. That probably helps them more in future life than being a few grades higher in a few subjects.

All exams have become easier.

Its the comparison overall between state/independent where the gap continues to narrow.

had a chuckle about that first paragraph - that is definitely me raiding the lost property, and my kids wear their kit until they outgrow it or it falls from their bodies (if they don’t lose it first). We definitely arent a hardship case, not do we get any discounts

Many children of the struggling middle classes at private schools. The kids pointing out “he’s worn that same top for two years” many families constantly raiding the lost property bins. Items never seeming to make their way back to rightful owners.

If you are in the circle you will see the struggle of the squeezed middle. This squeezed middle are the bread and butter of regional independents.

Do not minimise the dire financial situation at independent schools. It’s that fraud that I absolutely do not agree with! They must gain hold of their runaway fee assistance before next year, if it increases those figures will speak for themselves.

Why would I give personal information on MN!

Families do you resonate with uniform and expensive items sports kit and gear, constantly “going missing” from within private schools. It’s a running commentary with our mums.

As explained many times, the existence of bursaries and discounts has nothing to do with financial health of the school - if anything it is the opposite for the most competitive schools who use it to secure top talent. I know one family heading to boarding school this year on a significant reduction in fees because child is ranked top 10 nationally for their sport. Family had fully funded private education since reception for multiple children (and continue to do so) so definitely not a hardship situation- school just have a reputation for this sport and are using fee reduction as a mechanism to secure top talent.

The technology question is more interesting. If anything I see it increasing the premium placed on private education and a more personal and sometimes more traditional approach to learning. In terms of tech adoption, private schools are well ahead of state :https://www.suttontrust.com/news-opinion/all-news-opinion/state-schools-falling-behind-in-new-ai-digital-divide/

So you can’t give any actual examples then?

As explained many times, the existence of bursaries and discounts has nothing to do with financial health of the school - if anything it is the opposite for the most competitive schools who use it to secure top talent. I know one family heading to boarding school this year on a significant reduction in fees because child is ranked top 10 nationally for their sport. Family had fully funded private education since reception for multiple children (and continue to do so) so definitely not a hardship situation- school just have a reputation for this sport and are using fee reduction as a mechanism to secure top talent.

The technology question is more interesting. If anything I see it increasing the premium placed on private education and a more personal and sometimes more traditional approach to learning. In terms of tech adoption, private schools are well ahead of state :https://www.suttontrust.com/news-opinion/all-news-opinion/state-schools-falling-behind-in-new-ai-digital-divide/

As explained many times, the existence of bursaries and discounts has nothing to do with financial health of the school - if anything it is the opposite for the most competitive schools who use it to secure top talent. I know one family heading to boarding school this year on a significant reduction in fees because child is ranked top 10 nationally for their sport. Family had fully funded private education since reception for multiple children (and continue to do so) so definitely not a hardship situation- school just have a reputation for this sport and are using fee reduction as a mechanism to secure top talent.

The technology question is more interesting. If anything I see it increasing the premium placed on private education and a more personal and sometimes more traditional approach to learning. In terms of tech adoption, private schools are well ahead of state :https://www.suttontrust.com/news-opinion/all-news-opinion/state-schools-falling-behind-in-new-ai-digital-divide/

Many children of the struggling middle classes at private schools. The kids pointing out “he’s worn that same top for two years” many families constantly raiding the lost property bins. Items never seeming to make their way back to rightful owners.

If you are in the circle you will see the struggle of the squeezed middle. This squeezed middle are the bread and butter of regional independents.

Do not minimise the dire financial situation at independent schools. It’s that fraud that I absolutely do not agree with! They must gain hold of their runaway fee assistance before next year, if it increases those figures will speak for themselves.

Perhaps families at private schools - and indeed state schools - want to make their own decisions about what’s best for their child’s education?

Which children are dressed in rags? Which schools do they attend?

If that theory were true the support schools issue would be non existent (as the wealthy can afford the provision) the tiered system removed and all wealthy families would be happy with standard of provision and paying the exact same Fee.

Thats not happening as there is simply not that level of wealth in UK. The wealthy can move to international schools and wait out the current dire situation. If things improve they’ll being their children back but, they’ll not have them sitting economising, making do.

Of your theory is correct next years financial records will show that bar means tested bursary for the gifted all other discounts and fee assistance has been abolished…. They will level down if they continue this unsustainable model into next financial year as we’re all watching the finance.

We talk on time,

Labour do have time to make changes and level up.

But for the education sector on a whole time is a luxury.

The advancement of AI and technology forward thinking wealthy families looking at the best way to educate their children, efficiently. When you have the funds to secure academics plus enrichment (on a global level). Technologically advanced options may well become the new “elite” provision. Where the pool of students become an ‘international’ school body of the wealthy who study online and meet for global enrichment.

I hope that the UK and UK education can get back to being the best in the world. That requires funding.

I do not like independent schools telling families all is well when ultimately the money they hand over in good faith is not being allocated to their own child.

If this continues families will grow tired of the constant sacrifices and stretched home finances. The image of “kids at private school” yet no family time, enrichment or little luxuries does not go hand in hand. Some families the children are dressed in rags, they literally have nothing no holidays and constant financial pressure at home which adds pressure to the child. If you know your family are going without to pay these fees that level of pressure and expectation robs you of any ‘childhood’ it’s a burden. Again, the financial reports at the end of this academic year will give a very clear picture of what’s to come.

It’s funny how the phrase “time will tell” is only used on these multiple very similar threads by the multiple very similar posters.

Do better - your writing ‘style’ is very distinct @Sidedoors

yes, time will telll. Pretty confident that while some schools will suffer, overall the sector will be fine. Provision in state is far from stellar - some do a decent job, many are inadequate. labour government policies are more about levelling down than levelling up, but it doesn’t work - it just ends up with a bigger, starker divide between state and private.

Time will tell……

The pressure for independent school is simple the results MUST outweigh the sacrifice. That margin for error is shrinking with each passing day.

Next years financial accounts will be very telling as by then VAT impact will be known.

Change of name?

I made no mention of ‘weathering’ - no idea what you are referring to.

schools that under deliver will rightly struggle. Many many private schools ARE delivering results well ahead of state, though. Lots of parents unhappy with the state sector = customer base for private schools.

You might want to reread this one OP - highlights nuance within the private sector. you could use some nuance,

Specifically highlights that standalone preps are most vulnerable for a number of reasons with VAT being a bit of a tipping point for many. The market is changing, and some schools are better positioned to adapt than others- all through schools and schools that combine boarding with day students seem to be adaptable. Some of this contraction was inevitable, some could have been avoided without the intense pressure of VAT, and I am very bitter about Labour’s callous and pointless policy even if my own school seems to be weathering just fine.

in any case, private education is not going anywhere and there is a persistent gap between what state and private provide.

I think you miss OP point.

No family paying these fees plus annual hikes will tolerate “weathering” anything.

When you take money, investment, there is an expectation attached to that. It is not about getting by. Schools must deliver in all areas. Under a Labour government. No mean feat.