To think Meghan Markle has every right to worry about her security?

They will have to pay for their own security same as on US. Don't forget Harry caused a lot of their security issues by boasting about how many Taliban he killed on TV. Now they are at more risk from a Taliban threat because of it. Harry is rather dim and probably didn't even think thatigjt be a consequence but I think he put a big target on MM back as her face is well known. He also increased risk to his own DC but again he probably didn't think of that when he was boasting on TV. If I was his wife I'd be bloody furious with him for it.

South Park nailed them. They created a drama over privacy then went on tv and wrote books about every aspect of their lives. If they really wanted privacy then they wouldn’t come back here, they’d stay where they are and live quietly and drama free. Give it two years and we’ll have another Oprah interview moaning about how horrible everyone has been again.

A year or two ago any thread about H and M was met with calls of racism against anyone that didn't support them.

But I do agree that given that they hate the country so much it is strange that they would decide to come back

I agree OP - but a year or 2 ago any thread about Meghan would be 95% pure venom, the few I’ve read today have been far more balanced so perhaps the tide is turning? I hope so anyway, for her sake.

I really think they’re making a huge mistake moving back.

I wonder when she’s going to appear on Loose Women.

But Harry denied, in the interview with Tom Bradby, that they had ever accused the family of racism - he said it was all made up by the “British press”. He wasn’t saying “I don’t think the incident was racist but I can see why Meghan did”. Bradby’s face when he made that comment was a picture.

Yawn.

Leave them to their chosen private life.

Harry said they never said his family was racist.

There are also comments insisting many other things, about Charles, Camilla, William and Catherine, their children, etc, their staff, etc.

But do you think Meghan is worried about her security? And if so, why would they move back and expose their children?

They weren’t dismissed. He didn’t see that specific incident of asking about her potential child’s skin colour as racism. She may have seen this as racism. He didn’t say that the incident didn’t happen. They had different perspectives on the meaning behind it.

There is clearly individuals who are racist or at best racially insensitive in the wider family. And obviously the institution of royalty itself has a history and structure deeply connected to racial inequality. So I think it’s viable that Megan experienced comments as racist while Harry did not.

Do you not think she hurt those she accused of racism on the most public of stages, only for those allegations to be retracted and dismissed by her husband a couple of years later?

And in the same vein, SHE deserves no automatic respect.
Her conduct is the reason why people loathe her. Dim Harry is loathed for other reasons.
I shan’t be taking notice of either of them.

Agree.

You're not at all unreasonable.

The level of seething hatred I've seen here toward her over the years has been very troubling.

I hope they bring seasoned security with them. Presumably the security situation has been assessed and plans are in place for every eventuality. I sincerely hope that is the case, because there are unhinged people out there (and here).

That's insane.🤯

People should be entitled to go about their everyday lives without being booed or heckled. Even people you don't like.

Yes, lots of people are annoyed (by her very existence), but I can’t imagine anyone wishing her genuine harm. Or even less, the children.

She’s going to be booed and heckled in public, but I’m sure that would be the extent of the ‘threat’.

But this ignores all the lies that have been told.
Its as if celebs forget about the internet and that it forgets nothing.

MM will be able to avoid danger by going about her day without posting on social media where she is, where she will be etc. If you court publicity and the press, then the price is high for privacy and public opinions which might not always go your way.

I feel the media created and continue to encourage hatred for Harry and in particular Meghan and it makes me angry , she is blamed for being controlling , wearing expensive clothes, being a strong intelligent woman who tries to express her own opinion and for the most ridiculous things . I feel in the past the king has thrown them to the lions and hope in the future he speaks out against the press who spread hatred but I don’t think he has the balls!

Thanks for your considered reply. I take your points, though I would point out that the examples you gave are of politically active people who stood for something.

H&M would be able to sink into aristocratic obscurity without difficulty. They'd just have to pick a lane and stay in it, as do the UK's other titled bods whom we only see at royal events and occasionally coming out of The Ivy. MM seems happiest doing a Gwyneth Paltrow - she was much more famous, yet now swans around the Cotswolds free of security guards, does her own shopping and so forth.

the Met’s counter-terrorism unit said that the couple faced awful, credible threats and that people had been jailed bc of them.

Goes to show our regular, taxpayer-funded security services work well, doesn't it.

If there was a referendum tomorrow, I’d vote to abolish the monarchy. They’re way past their sell by date IMO. For loads of reasons.

They want access to intelligence rather than their security paid for don't they?

There will be a serious incident within a year of them moving back I imagine. People hate her more than Andrew for some reason. I don't know why she's come back, I wouldn't have if I were her. People genuinely hate anyone of colour atm. I was born and bred here (although ethnic minority) and I'm nervous, let alone someone with a target on their back like her.

But what you call “seeking the public’s attention” could also be characterised as “trying to regain some control of the narrative that is already there and in fact ever-present”.

There's a world of difference between character critique and physical threats.

I think the gap between those two things can be quite slim eg the murders of MPs Jo Cox and David Amess in 2016 and 2021 respectively, possibly Anne Wifdecombe too.

You may not be aware of any plots to harm MM and H, but Neil Basu, assistant head of the Met’s counter-terrorism unit when MM was in the UK , said that the couple faced awful, credible threats and that people had been jailed bc of them.

https://www.newsweek.com/threats-meghan-markle-prince-harry-life-real-cases-behind-terror-chief-neil-basu-warning-1763374

I think we have to be careful not to have another Diana situation on our hands and I don’t blame Harry for being worried about this.

Diana couldn’t escape press attention, tried to control it, was banished from the RF and ended up being deceived by Martin Bashir which led her to letting go of her PPOs.

She then was chased to her death by paps. And yes the driver was drunk and she should have worn a seat belt but she wouldn’t have been involved in a high speed chase in the first place had there been no paps in pursuit. They had tried to evade them and failed.

Some people were frustrated and contemptuous of Diana weren’t they and probably didn’t mean her any direct physical harm either? She was a divisive figure too.
But the truth is she came to harm and we are all guilty of consuming this endless nonsense that feeds the demand for yet more stories and commentary.

So yes, I think everyone needs to step back and calm down.

The type of security you can pay for in America is very different to here.

I think her sister and Dad were awful.

Nothing she said about anyone was that bad: they are just a very tone deaf couple….my brother had a row with me and I had an argument with my SIL over a pair of tights and she wasn’t keen on lending me lip gloss and someone in the family is racist …. Like this is normal family stuff that 99% of families argue about.

Harry is a very broken person and he met an American that pointed out that the royal family are a bit weird and have weird dynamics and ran with that.

But they haven’t done anything terrible.