To ask when we lost sense of basic social etiquette?

Gentle parenting is on the cusp of being debunked, I think.

OK. I'll be plain. There is no pattern on MN of men posting they have been yelled at for opening doors for women and this has caused them not to hold doors.
If there are even any such posts (which there may be, as this is MRA rhetoric and they do post here) they will be so few the data they offer will be such a tiny sample it will be meaningless.
However, if you're insistent on doubling down on your silly remark, maybe you'd like to run the search and prove me wrong rather than trying to save face by suggesting a fools errand?
Posts from men saying they are frightened to hold doors because women have yelled at them. Enough to show a meaningful pattern. I'll sit down. And wait....

I’m going to get piled on here I’m sure but I think one thing that isn’t helping is the constant “be kind you don’t know what else is going on” thing. Every time someone is behaving badly you get so many people excusing them or saying well they have or might have “condition” so don’t say anything. As soon as anyone says anything to anyone about a certain behaviour the person behaving badly screams discrimination. So the people who used to say things stopped. And also have got to the point of saying well fuck it. If everyone else can behave how they want then I will as well. I’ve been a rule follower my whole life. I never so much as even had a detention at school. Even I’ve got to the point of thinking fuck it.

How many teenagers do you meet on a day to day basis?

I have met lots of nice ones.

You probably don't notice them out in public because they aren't the ones who stand out - they're just going about their business like the majority of other people.

Totally disagree. If you think they are being rude (maybe they are just very distracted by what's going on in their head), then why would you model rudeness back to them? I think that is worse than someone forgetting to say thank you - I've done it sometimes inadvertently, not because Im a rude person.

OMG! Unbelievable!!!

Agree and I've never been convinced that anyone changes their behaviour for the better in response to this. It's just an ego boost for the passive aggressive person.

Yes, honestly. My 2 are genuinely lovely people as are their friends and their nieces and nephews. They do exist. I think you're just noticing the scroats (which is understandable).

Its minority probably, the same as adults, but i dont think teenagers are worse. Its humans in general.

No I haven't, but i made a conscious decision on calling it out, along with misogyny, racism etc, a few years ago. I guess it's fear that stops people insisting on proper behaviour and that's a huge issue and a huge shame. I was brought up with the concept that my behaviour in public should never impact on anyone else, and that's a good standard to live by.

I'm on holiday in the UK at the moment. Walking round a city centre yesterday as DP and DD wanted to do some shopping, so ended up in a lot of shops teenagers frequent with DD. Largely they were all absolutely normal. Some stopped to let me through the door first, that sort of thing. Saw a couple of bellends, but to be honest I saw a couple of 60 something's behaving worse.

If you only look for thee dickheads,then all you'll see is dickheads. But that doesn't mean the majority are dickheads.

People have just become self absorbed !
I.always wait for people to disembark before I get the tube lol 😁
As for teenagers it's just normal bravado in most cases but sometimes it can go to far only the other day there was a huge group of lads coming towards me shouting and making a racket holding a huge stick then they saw me with my puppies and they were awwww look a puppy 😁 it actually made me chuckle to myself !

What rot!

ime, it’s the posher kids/people who are entitled and rude.

loud, bargy and seemingly oblivious of everything around them.

im regularly disappointed in how many private schools turn out their kids.

Then we must differ on our opinions but respect them, rather than alluding to rot.

Certainly lacking basic social etiquette

I never see this in Yorkshire

I commute with a lot of school kids.

The independent school ones are very, very loud and have antisocial amounts of sports kit, but don't tend to leave rubbish or shove in front of you.

Reverse that for the ones from the neighbouring comprehensive.

Both lots play annoying videos.

Some people have lost the art of talking and negotiating properly with others.
A man was killed by a dog bite on a footpath it seems it was a dispute over the right if way. Dog was out of control and a man died because of the altercation.

Couldn't that have been avoided? Does everything have to erupt into violence and death?

Is that really how people act now on public transport? I very rarely use it now but never felt people were that aggressive. I guess I simply wouldn't use it when it's really busy as I do get scared of being knocked over or physically hurt.

I too am in Yorkshire and it does exist! Although I do see more manners here than when I’m down south 😅 but my experience is still particularly bad on a daily basis

I think the done thing in such circumstances is to walk away, muttering (loudly) 'to yourself', "that's OK, my pleasure!" 😀

Agreed.

Also, surely you don't do polite/ nice things just so that someone else will say thank you 🙄

I once had an angry driver flashing me and going ballistic because they gave way to me and I didn't notice/ say thanks until it was too late. They were literally shouting and swearing at me, and I was scared they were going to cause an accident.

If you want to give way then give way, that's great - why would you then get so angry if someone doesn't notice to say thanks?

Calling all teenagers cunts certainly lacks something