Lindsay Clancy was let down

You're really muddling up someone being mentally ill, such as me and someone being legally insane. They are sometimes the same. Often different

No one is in doubt she clearly had mental health problems and needed care and support. Did they mean she is not responsible for what she did? Not in my view, but thats for the experts.

Women being at more risk of MH issues during times of hormonal change, does not mean someone experiencing that is not legally responsible for what they do.

Three children lost their lives, at the hand of their mother, in the most dreadful and frightening circumstances. As someone else unfortuantely detailed, their last minutes would have been full of fear and panic with the knowledge of what she, their own mother, was doing to them. There may well be mitigating circumstances in terms of her decision making about why she did what she did, but ultimately she did choose to do what she did. She is responsible. I havent seen or heard anything to suggest she was actively insane at the time, but again thats for the experts.

So much talk about this woman, yet nothing, silence, absence about the children. They have been annihilated even by the social media furore.

What has the menopause got to do with it, or are you suggesting if a woman in her 50s killed someone the menopause made them do it?

I'm sorry for what you experienced being brought up by someone with mh issues but I think you're projecting widely.

I really hope the jury listened to the experts who discounted her claims and agree she is an annihilator with some half arsed suicidal ideation thrown in.

My relative has schizophrenia. I’ve been in his presence when he was psychotic. It was not immediately apparent, he seemed quite normal until he said or did something that made me realise he wasn’t.

He perpetrated the attack on his mother which led to him being sectioned the second they got home from seeing the psychiatrist. He was still psychotic when he called for help after nearly killing her.

It is such a complex picture. I’m not sure either way but I think if it was premeditated there were times she was alone for longer when she could have had a more opportunity.

But having seen first hand people devolving and seeming normal in spite of being in a very bad way I do believe it is possible she was psychotic.

I am really torn by this having followed the case. My mum is schizophrenic so I have seen her in a state of psychosis multiple times. I have seen my mum go from zombie like to extreme agitation across days but I’ve never seen her only experience psychosis for 18 minutes. When she has been off her rocker, it’s been quite obvious to everyone that she’s mentally unwell.

I honestly can’t work out whether she was failed and was very mentally unwell or she was a family annihilator trying to use mental health to get off. Either way I’m glad I wasn’t a juror on this case and I think it will be very difficult to come to a verdict.

Im so shocked at so many people supporting her. She murdered her kids. A monster.

There's not a single lie in my post. I'm sorry that are you incapable of objectivity on this case.

You dont sound very informed Im afraid. I've had years of experience in the past working on psychiatric wards and no with multi agency MH teams. Even hearing voices does not necessarily indicate psychosis. And Im sorry but you do sound obsessed.

I think it's very easy to dismiss it if you haven't had the kind of thoughts she describes. I distinctly remember a "voice" that told me that all I needed to do was wait until my baby died and then I could kill myself. It was very clear that I shouldn't kill the baby though, just wait until it died. I went to the doctor and told them that I was petrified of the voice changing and saying I should kill the baby because I wasn't certain I would be able to stop myself. I wanted so badly to be dead. I was never diagnosed as having any kind of psychosis, just your standard PPD with suicidal ideation.

I feel so sad for her children who must have been so frightened in their final moments. I hope justice is served.

Let's try to find some common ground, so we can find a moral "backstop" to this.

Are we unanimous in our assessment that Myra Hindley is / was guilty, deserved to be incarcerated and never released, and that there are no mitigating circumstances which can excuse her crimes?

Genuinely interested, does anybody here think Hindley was a victim herself? Her background was traumatic after all.

She was a child murderer. Not her own children, but children died at her hands.

Im really sorry about the troubles you have with your mum, it seems to be absolutely obsessing you in terms of this case

Someone having thoughts of harming someone, harming themselves, even suicidal ideation are not necessarily in psychosis, the thoughts themselves as distressing as they are, are not evidence that someone is in psychosis.

There's no talking to people who are forever determined to make excuses for women and blame men.

She was absolutely mentally unwell. But she was not psychotic and she knew what she was doing. I hope she spends the rest of her days rotting in a cell.

Your determination to excuse a child killer makes me cringe with embarrassment for you.

Clancy lied to her doctors and refused to take the medication prescribed to her exactly as prescribed. If she had been more willing to follow the advice of dedicated professionals perhaps we wouldn't be here. She was not on 17 different types of drugs at the same time - cringing for you that you don't know this.

I'm sorry about your mother but the situations are not remotely comparable. Clancy was by all accounts, bar a brief period in college when she was on prozac for a short time, a completely normal functioning woman. She was not frequently lapsing into psychosis as your mother was nor has she ever claimed to have heard voices other that one time when, atypically for someone hearing voices, she immediately acted on what she was allegedly told to do and killed her babies. She MAY (big emphasis on may) have bipolar disorder but even that it unclear. She was depressed and suffered from anxiety. And so she chose to kill her children and herself.

The woman is just a family annihilator. You keep on cringing for me and I'll keep on cringing over you and the rest of the pink shirt brigade with their lunatic conspiracy theories.

Yes she was unwell with MH issues but not psychotic if the reports of her actions during the day are anything to go by

She wanted to kill herself but didnt want her kids to live without her, that is exactly the same for family annihilators, the intent might be different if we are generous (men usually do it out of control, she might be said to have done it so that the kids didnt grow up knowing their mum died, skewed rationale but it makes sense in that way) but the outcome is the same.

I never see anyone protecting the men who murder their kids horrifically. Was the man who set fire to his kids in the loft 'psychotic' or Chris Foster who shot his wife and daughter 'psychotic'?
Men murder but this woman allegedly had a once in a lifetime unwitnessed psycho event so not her fault??

But is the point not that these people are clearly in active psychosis quite consistently and evidently, hence their need for 1 to 1? As opposed to one time for 18 minutes that nobody saw?

'Her locked unit is full of people in psychosis with 1:1 support staff to avoid them all killing each other.'

So not not living a normal life, apparently well? Total false equivalence.

Oh I've experience of those with mental illnesses. Who hasn't these days.

The point is you can have a mental health issue and still be guilty of the planning and murder of 3 innocent children. We can only hope the jury see sense.

Thought I'd read that she was psychotic but fair enough.