To think Count Binface is doing a great job in the Clacton by-election?

Hilarious

Hope you and DH will providing the electric fences.

Axis POWs who had been actively fighting us before capture were treated better than that.

Did you see the little baby on one of the boats the other day? What do you propose doing with them?

I don't think there would be a staff presence @Hedgeknight. Just the migrants, under canvas. Obviously, we're only considering completed uninhabited islands.

Who will staff the detention centre, your DH?

Do you mean asylum seekers with economic migrants?

Most very ordinary people, like me and DH, just shut up, and pay our tax bills every year. I'm no keener to pay for economic migrants to be processed here than anyone else. But they keep coming, uninvited, and clearly think there's a wonderful world awaiting them. I do believe that we need a repellant option. DH is suggesting Rockall Island as a detention centre. I know he's joking but if the default setting while migrants wait for process is a Hebridean island in a tent or Portakabin without a ferry service, it might be a deterrent.

On a lighter note, the Count obviously knows about Mumsnet (he referenced the favourite biscuit thing)

Anyone think it would be an idea to approach MNHQ to ask if he'll do a Q and A?

Very much agree @Persephonia1966 . I just hope that eventually there will be something that makes people leaning to Reform realise that yes, they do mean them as well as brown people on small boats, because at the moment it is the equivalent of turkeys embracing the idea of Christmas.

It was always going to be like that though. A lot of the rhetoric served two purposes. Eg the idea that "some immigrants are contributing but most aren't. They are not "net tax contributors" and therefore a drain. Its attacking immigrants but sets up the idea that anyone who isn't a "net tax contributor" is a drain. So, that's lots of working people and families doing important jobs like care worker, nurse, teaching assistants, lots of blue collar jobs who are a drain because they aren't paying enough tax.
Also the rhetoric against "HMOs" in Maker field which could be about immigrants in HMOs but is vague enough to also appeal to people who don't like other HMO occupants (usually low earners/young people/students who can't afford to buy a whole house).

But you just tell people that everyone is sponging and cheating the system except them and it works.

I obviously have no idea what you do in the NHS and am not asking, but the Reform proposals would affect many, many NHS service users. You will have come across them in your working life. Some of them may be your friends and family, or in fact, you, if you're unlucky in the future.

I was in reasonable health in my early 60s until last year when I contracted sepsis. I was fortunate to live, but it has left me with serious health issues. I'm not claiming PIP or anything else apart from Carers Allowance yet as hoping for improvements but can't rule it out as my mobility is compromised. I'm also full time carer for my bed bound husband and although we're financially OK if far from rich, I hate the thought of people in my circumstances struggling with the benefits system and endless financial scrutiny and worry.

Helping people who can work back into work with proper support is one thing, these proposals are not that.

You called it a load of nonsense. I thought you might have some insights into the minds of Reform voters.

It’s what they’re all saying on social media. Are you suggesting we don’t believe it and they’re saying it for shits and giggles?

This is a direct attack on ordinary British people, including white British people this time. Most of us don't have rich mates who can spare the odd £5 million to ease our way through life and the vast majority of those of working age are one serious illness/MH crisis/ life changing accident away from needing PIP and other disability benefits. There have already been enough horror stories about people with eg cancer having issues getting the money they need to survive on, this proposed bureaucratic nightmare will just mean more

How should I know?

I work in the NHS not in Local Government or the Civil Service.

Who do they/you think will be affected by the cuts the most?

You assume you know the mind of the "Average Reform Voter" but what you say is actually a load of nonsense.

Sorry, @MNHQ , my post instantly disappeared and I was bemused until I realised that I used a word beginning with C that relates to a certain currency and Farage's mate.

Tice's constituency Boston and Skegness: 10,357 recipients — approximately 17% of the working-age population.

The average in England and Wales is approximately 9–10% of working-age people.

Reform's latest policy/fever dream announcement is yet another warning signal to anybody thinking they're a viable choice at the ballot box. Sounds great right? Get all the scroungers out of bed and off to work! Osborne was right about the neighbours sleeping off a life on benefits and now they need a great big stick to shift them.
But apart from, as others have mentioned, the impact on employability of disabled people, how on earth do Reform propose to administrate this mishmash? Setting up vouchers and services to replace cash payments in a post-austerity landscape, sorting out the "deserving" from the "undeserving" , regular reassessments of the "gravely ill and challenged", two-yearly appointments for everyone on sickness/disability benefits if they've not found work...Madness. Do Reform and their supporters not think that if it was that easy it would have been done already by the succession of neo-liberal governments working in a post-industrial society that have operated over the last few decades?
And how do they propose to enact this legislation? Even if they were to win a landslide (hint: they won't) how would they get it past the second chamber? Henry VIII legislation? Great, let's dismantle democracy! What about opposition from charities and human rights organisations - just to be brushed under the carpet?

Reform voters really do need to think carefully about the implications of their vote on themselves, let alone wider society. Nobody can say they weren't warned.

Yes, I was thinking that disability and being short of money are probably rather alien concepts to wealthy youngsters like "Posh George" Cottrell, living in a luxury resort in Montenegro among the mega-yachts and enjoying himself with the super-rich in the casinos.

Suicidal empathy. There speak people who have been able to pay for things all their lives. There is nothing they can't cxxp on because it's all alien to them.

Many Reform supporters assume that cutting benefits means only for brown people. You can see it, if you brave Twitter, or the Daily Mail comments.

Yes, but I think recoverable long term for businesses even though I think it has caused issues for businesses hiring in the short term which has impacted young people especially. A mistake but not a catastrophic mistake

Whereas Reforms idea would presumably be a huge deterrent for employing disabled people at all and likely have a big impact on employment levels overall as well. But yay punishing the slackers is worth it in the same way punishing the elite made the pains of Brexit worth it.

It's weird how people say the Left hate business when I can't think of a party more determined to destroy British industry and commerce than Reform.

Also, bad for businesses and business growth. In the same way that Labours increase in employers NI contributions was blamed for causing issues but times 100.