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thevoiceofreasoning · 09/08/2026 16:50

I have recently had surgery and I am pretty immobile … just about get around on crutches indoors. Friends (m and f married couple with 10 year old daughter) wanted to visit me at my home. I’m not really up to guests to be honest but they more or less invited themselves. I agreed and they said they would arrive around 11am and stay until about 3pm (they live a couple of hours drive away from me). Since this timing clearly spanned over lunchtime I thought it was only fair to warn them I wasn’t really up to making a meal for them, which is something I usually always do when they visit a few times a year. The wife says oh that’s not a problem we will bring something with us. i thought oh that will be nice … a bit of company and something nice to eat brought in!
Well they all arrived carrying big cool bag and busied themselves putting things in my fridge etc. We chatted for a while and then wife stood up and said she would fix lunch… checking with me where I kept my plates etc. whilst I remained sat in the lounge. When everything is plated … individual pots of salad, wrapped up sandwiches etc. kind of picnic style and she announced it was ready, I suddenly realised that she had only put out 3 plates for them and had not included me! She then turned and said ‘Oh are you going to make yourself something and join us?”
I was so shocked I just mumbled oh I will make myself some toast. And then sat there with them eating a couple of slices of toast whilst they had their individually plated picnic goodies! The funny thing is I truly believe they thought they were being considerate bringing their own food so I didn’t have to bother cooking.
I can sort of laugh about it but I am also gobsmacked they could think that was ok! However, now looking back I guess I did make an assumption that they would bring something for me to eat too. AIBU? Love to hear people’s thoughts on this!

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disturbia · 11/08/2026 15:30

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 15:22

Yes I really don’t think it was malicious … but still very bad form! I’m not so entitled that I expect anyone visiting to bring me lunch … I would have been fine if they just hadn’t brought anything and then I would have probably suggested we get a take out or send her hubby to my local supermarket (2 mins walk from me) and chose some sandwiches/snacks for us all and given him the money to pay! But to say she will bring something and then exclude me is really alien to me… I am not going to hold a grudge over it or anything but I am going to distance myself from people who think that is ok.

Good for you OP I agree with you. Your now ex-friends are either extremely rude, mean as hell or mad. Were you tempted to say "what sandwich have you made for me?"

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 15:22

GoodLife26 · 11/08/2026 15:01

This sounds like the type of thing my brother and wife would do. It’s not meant maliciously, they are just tactless. They would be mortified if they realised they had offended someone. I’d give your friends the benefit of the doubt.

Yes I really don’t think it was malicious … but still very bad form! I’m not so entitled that I expect anyone visiting to bring me lunch … I would have been fine if they just hadn’t brought anything and then I would have probably suggested we get a take out or send her hubby to my local supermarket (2 mins walk from me) and chose some sandwiches/snacks for us all and given him the money to pay! But to say she will bring something and then exclude me is really alien to me… I am not going to hold a grudge over it or anything but I am going to distance myself from people who think that is ok.

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thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 15:10

Neuronimo · 11/08/2026 14:56

I haven't read the whole thread, I have mentioned that I may have similarly got the wrong end of the stick (from the semantics) being autistic, so hopefully it wasn't my post that people are interpreting as suggesting that the friend might be autistic. Given the follow up post from OP, it certainly does sound as if the friend was fully in the picture, which I didn't pick up from the original post. She certainly didn't pick up on the cues that it was a bad time to visit in the first instance.

Please excuse my social ineptitude OP 😏

Oh really no need for apologies! I posted the story to invite comments and different view points! I can get why some have said she may be autistic in the sense she took my comment about not providing lunch quite literally and interpreted it as she must bring her own lunch! But this isn’t the case in this instance … if she was autistic I wouldn’t have been as shocked at her actions and probably would have clarified with her what she meant by “I will bring something”. It didn’t occur to me to ask for clarification as the way the conservation went I absolutely perceived her comment to mean she would bring lunch for us all as that as what I believe most friends would automatically do in these circumstances!

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GoodLife26 · 11/08/2026 15:01

This sounds like the type of thing my brother and wife would do. It’s not meant maliciously, they are just tactless. They would be mortified if they realised they had offended someone. I’d give your friends the benefit of the doubt.

Neuronimo · 11/08/2026 14:56

I haven't read the whole thread, I have mentioned that I may have similarly got the wrong end of the stick (from the semantics) being autistic, so hopefully it wasn't my post that people are interpreting as suggesting that the friend might be autistic. Given the follow up post from OP, it certainly does sound as if the friend was fully in the picture, which I didn't pick up from the original post. She certainly didn't pick up on the cues that it was a bad time to visit in the first instance.

Please excuse my social ineptitude OP 😏

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 14:26

EvieBB · 11/08/2026 13:27

It's just bloody unbelievable. I can't believe the poster who said you were mean for starting this thread owing to the fact that your "friend" might be autistic.....but surely one of 3 wasn't autistic and could see how totally bonkers and rude this was. I'm cringing with second hand embarrassment for them. Surely even an autistic person can see this is a total no-no?

I know! Calling me mean for starting the thread is more offensive than the “friend” that didn’t bring lunch! Lol

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thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 14:17

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2026 13:57

Yes I agree... it wasn't a conscious plan to taunt you with the picnic food... and yet...it felt to me like she thought you hadn't delivered what she saw as your part of the bargain and so she was sticking closely to the terms of the new agreement.
The individual packaging just seems a bit pre meditated.

I don't know why but this has really struck a chord with me in dealings with extended family

Edited

If there was a ‘care’ reaction I’d have put it! I know exactly what you mean! Some of the issues people have brought up have made me reflect on a few things … not just this incident but people in general and how they sometimes treat and interact with you. When you look at the people in your life it can really make you wonder why you tolerate certain behaviours ..

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Wadsworthy · 11/08/2026 14:08

And I suspect she thought she was doing @thevoiceofreasoning a HUGE favour by visiting:

"Oh, @thevoiceofreasoning must be lonely, all that recovering by herself. She's sure to enjoy us visiting. We'll cheer her up."

Their presence was your present, OP. Grin

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 13:57

QuizNight · 11/08/2026 13:25

I completely agree with all this. I think the phrase that goes something like ‘never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity’ is relevant here. Some people have invented all sorts of scenarios in their head about how the friend wanted revenge and set out specifically to upset the op through calculated sandwich making. I think she’s just thick.

This made me lol! I’ve not heard that expression before but I think it fits the bill nicely! I certainly would not describe her as a malicious person and I didn’t think she was thick before this incident… but now I am thinking that is the only logical thing to explain her behaviour! But you’d have thought hubby would have questioned why they are not taking anything for the host … I know some men just leave things like this to the wife … but my partner would have absolutely questioned why I wasn’t making lunch for all of us…

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2026 13:57

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 13:16

Well that is why I told her in advance what the situation would be … I warned her I wouldn’t be much company and that I wouldn’t be able to provide lunch but she insisted they still wanted to visit me! I may have suggested we could get a take out but she jumped in straight away with “no problem I will bring something” Whichever way I cut it, it really doesn’t make any sense to me … if she was only coming for a free lunch she could have easily said on the phone “oh it doesn’t sound like you are ready for visitors” and would have been absolutely ok with that. I really don’t think they made the drive to deliberately taunt me with their picnic food but that is basically what they did!

Yes I agree... it wasn't a conscious plan to taunt you with the picnic food... and yet...it felt to me like she thought you hadn't delivered what she saw as your part of the bargain and so she was sticking closely to the terms of the new agreement.
The individual packaging just seems a bit pre meditated.

I don't know why but this has really struck a chord with me in dealings with extended family

weaselyeyes · 11/08/2026 13:34

Obviously it's all baffling, even if they had somehow got it into their heads that they were just saving you trouble by bringing their own lunch and didn't consider bringing more to share. I have sometimes felt wrongfooted about when you're meant to bring something and when not (though never in a situation like this!). But I can't understand why, when they saw you didn't in fact have your own lunch ready, that they didn't then offer to share or at the very least offer to get you something, even if it was to get you your own food. How on earth could they not even ask if they could make your toast for you?

weaselyeyes · 11/08/2026 13:34

Obviously it's all baffling, even if they had somehow got it into their heads that they were just saving you trouble by bringing their own lunch and didn't consider bringing more to share. I have sometimes felt wrongfooted about when you're meant to bring something and when not (though never in a situation like this!). But I can't understand why, when they saw you didn't in fact have your own lunch ready, that they didn't then offer to share or at the very least offer to get you something, even if it was to get you your own food. How on earth could they not even ask if they could make your toast for you?

BoundaryGirl3939 · 11/08/2026 13:31

Some people on this thread have commented that she was good enough to travel and visit you but beware....some people only visit because it suits them. They are dead bored and can't entertain themselves.

I dealt with an energy vampire who used to call by...drain me of my energy, be nosy/ask a million questions, and eat anything in sight.

EvieBB · 11/08/2026 13:31

Gengha · 11/08/2026 13:29

Agreed, my son is autistic and only 17 and he wouldn’t do this

That's good to know....thanks for sharing :)

Gengha · 11/08/2026 13:29

EvieBB · 11/08/2026 13:27

It's just bloody unbelievable. I can't believe the poster who said you were mean for starting this thread owing to the fact that your "friend" might be autistic.....but surely one of 3 wasn't autistic and could see how totally bonkers and rude this was. I'm cringing with second hand embarrassment for them. Surely even an autistic person can see this is a total no-no?

Agreed, my son is autistic and only 17 and he wouldn’t do this

EvieBB · 11/08/2026 13:27

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 11:35

Thank you. Yes that is the bit that got me … the fact that it was all wrapped up and she’d made different sandwiches to catering for their individual preferences. They were wrapped in tin foil so you couldn’t see what was what immediately … so she was unwrapping each thing and looking saying ‘oh that one’s mine and that’s one DD’s” etc. I honestly don’t think she was deliberately mean but her level of unawareness quite shocked me! We have had countless meals together over the years and I’ve cooked for them on many occasions so she knows my tastes and likes and dislikes quite well … it really wouldn’t have taken much for her to make me up a tuna and cucumber sandwich … but she didn’t think and she didn’t realise her thoughtless behaviour when in situ … they all just acted like it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

It's just bloody unbelievable. I can't believe the poster who said you were mean for starting this thread owing to the fact that your "friend" might be autistic.....but surely one of 3 wasn't autistic and could see how totally bonkers and rude this was. I'm cringing with second hand embarrassment for them. Surely even an autistic person can see this is a total no-no?

QuizNight · 11/08/2026 13:25

aloris · 11/08/2026 13:17

She did drive 2 hours each way to see you, and you say that you never visit her. So maybe she sees the drive as the gift, if you see what I mean. Gas, effort, the stress of dealing with motorways, and so on. At the same time, you usually cook for her and her family when she visits, at your own expense.

To me, this incident gives the impression that she thinks she has generously graced you with her presence and generously allowed you to host her without doing any of your normal host "duties." She perhaps feels quite chuffed that she gave you some company with almost no effort on your part.

I think her social deficit here is not understanding that visiting a person who is ill, a person who has just had surgery, or a person who has just had a baby, is a different set of etiquette. When you are visiting such a person, you bring help. You do not burden them in any way. Leaving your dirty dishes by the sink for her to clean up (on! crutches!) is a faux pas. Bringing lunch for yourself but not for the ill person, especially when you have invited yourself and essentially done so over her protestations, is rude. Don't invite yourself to an ill person's house without bringing something to make their life better. Definitely don't make their life harder.

I also agree with the person upthread who speculated that when you said she is "sensitive" what she really is, is self-centered.

I completely agree with all this. I think the phrase that goes something like ‘never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity’ is relevant here. Some people have invented all sorts of scenarios in their head about how the friend wanted revenge and set out specifically to upset the op through calculated sandwich making. I think she’s just thick.

Gengha · 11/08/2026 13:24

I’m not sure how many other Scots are on here but this thread is giving me vibes of the Hogmanay episode of still game where Jack and Victor are at the country pub, the landlord asks them if they want some food and they pull out their own sandwiches

Viperregency · 11/08/2026 13:23

aloris · 11/08/2026 13:17

She did drive 2 hours each way to see you, and you say that you never visit her. So maybe she sees the drive as the gift, if you see what I mean. Gas, effort, the stress of dealing with motorways, and so on. At the same time, you usually cook for her and her family when she visits, at your own expense.

To me, this incident gives the impression that she thinks she has generously graced you with her presence and generously allowed you to host her without doing any of your normal host "duties." She perhaps feels quite chuffed that she gave you some company with almost no effort on your part.

I think her social deficit here is not understanding that visiting a person who is ill, a person who has just had surgery, or a person who has just had a baby, is a different set of etiquette. When you are visiting such a person, you bring help. You do not burden them in any way. Leaving your dirty dishes by the sink for her to clean up (on! crutches!) is a faux pas. Bringing lunch for yourself but not for the ill person, especially when you have invited yourself and essentially done so over her protestations, is rude. Don't invite yourself to an ill person's house without bringing something to make their life better. Definitely don't make their life harder.

I also agree with the person upthread who speculated that when you said she is "sensitive" what she really is, is self-centered.

Yeah I mean she might have thought she was doing the op a favour visiting and saving her effort bringing their own lunch, but no one with any sense of manners fronts up to someone’s house, empty handed, and brings their own lunch then sits and eats it and leaves their dirty dishes, and thinks their mere presence is a gift.

aloris · 11/08/2026 13:17

She did drive 2 hours each way to see you, and you say that you never visit her. So maybe she sees the drive as the gift, if you see what I mean. Gas, effort, the stress of dealing with motorways, and so on. At the same time, you usually cook for her and her family when she visits, at your own expense.

To me, this incident gives the impression that she thinks she has generously graced you with her presence and generously allowed you to host her without doing any of your normal host "duties." She perhaps feels quite chuffed that she gave you some company with almost no effort on your part.

I think her social deficit here is not understanding that visiting a person who is ill, a person who has just had surgery, or a person who has just had a baby, is a different set of etiquette. When you are visiting such a person, you bring help. You do not burden them in any way. Leaving your dirty dishes by the sink for her to clean up (on! crutches!) is a faux pas. Bringing lunch for yourself but not for the ill person, especially when you have invited yourself and essentially done so over her protestations, is rude. Don't invite yourself to an ill person's house without bringing something to make their life better. Definitely don't make their life harder.

I also agree with the person upthread who speculated that when you said she is "sensitive" what she really is, is self-centered.

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 13:16

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2026 12:51

That's why I think she couldn't comprehend why OP was saying she couldn't cater and thought its as easy to make a sandwich for us as it is for her.... took umbridge and thought, well if that's the case we will bring OUR lunch and just our lunch, if that's what she wants and she can eat her own.

She was making a point and the other's with her all knew that which is why no one else offered the OP anything. I think she seriously expected OP to have made her own lunch. But having got the hump and wanting to make her point, she wasn't going to offer anything. Its the individual packaging and catering for specific sandwich orders that makes me think this.

Just thoughtless, lacking in imagination/empathy, maybe dismissing surgery as only a minor thing due to lack of thought or knowledge (or interest), and then offended as she views the lunch issue as a favour withdrawn for no reason and was probably saying to her self ... "well I would'nt have offered to drive there if I'd know we wouldn't even get lunch. "

So she sees driving to you as a favour and lunch as a return favour from you, and regards you as not keeping your part of the bargain, hence the offence taken, and doesn't have the wit (or the kindness) to credit your reasons for not doing lunch that day.
Its transactional and passive aggressive. Especially as she more or less ordered you to eat your own lunch (so they didn't have to feel guility) and then sat there and watched you struggle to get to kitchen to make ... toast.

it says a lot about her character to do this

I realise this is pure speculation on my part tho.

Edited

Well that is why I told her in advance what the situation would be … I warned her I wouldn’t be much company and that I wouldn’t be able to provide lunch but she insisted they still wanted to visit me! I may have suggested we could get a take out but she jumped in straight away with “no problem I will bring something” Whichever way I cut it, it really doesn’t make any sense to me … if she was only coming for a free lunch she could have easily said on the phone “oh it doesn’t sound like you are ready for visitors” and would have been absolutely ok with that. I really don’t think they made the drive to deliberately taunt me with their picnic food but that is basically what they did!

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SpaceRaccoon · 11/08/2026 13:06

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2026 12:51

That's why I think she couldn't comprehend why OP was saying she couldn't cater and thought its as easy to make a sandwich for us as it is for her.... took umbridge and thought, well if that's the case we will bring OUR lunch and just our lunch, if that's what she wants and she can eat her own.

She was making a point and the other's with her all knew that which is why no one else offered the OP anything. I think she seriously expected OP to have made her own lunch. But having got the hump and wanting to make her point, she wasn't going to offer anything. Its the individual packaging and catering for specific sandwich orders that makes me think this.

Just thoughtless, lacking in imagination/empathy, maybe dismissing surgery as only a minor thing due to lack of thought or knowledge (or interest), and then offended as she views the lunch issue as a favour withdrawn for no reason and was probably saying to her self ... "well I would'nt have offered to drive there if I'd know we wouldn't even get lunch. "

So she sees driving to you as a favour and lunch as a return favour from you, and regards you as not keeping your part of the bargain, hence the offence taken, and doesn't have the wit (or the kindness) to credit your reasons for not doing lunch that day.
Its transactional and passive aggressive. Especially as she more or less ordered you to eat your own lunch (so they didn't have to feel guility) and then sat there and watched you struggle to get to kitchen to make ... toast.

it says a lot about her character to do this

I realise this is pure speculation on my part tho.

Edited

I agree with you, because it's the only thing that makes sense.
Because surely no-one could be that socially clueless, graceless and stingy?

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 13:05

nomas · 11/08/2026 12:38

She has got used to you hosting, she sees hosting as your job. So she doesn't see the need to be thoughtful to you.

Yes I think you have hit the nail on the head with that one!

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Neuronimo · 11/08/2026 13:01

I still can't believe they haven't just gotten the wrong end of the stick. Could they have assumed you weren't up to eating lunch? If they haven't it sounds like you should fade the friendship out. Could you not have explicitly asked them to share things out? I think I'd have done in the circumstances. They certainly shouldn't have come to you without a card and gift. It doesn't sound like there is a lot of give and take. Hope you are soon on the mend. Op.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2026 12:51

youneverwalkedinmyshoes · 11/08/2026 12:20

Even if they misunderstood your message I am sure I would've shared the food four ways. There is no way in any hell that I would think is alright to eat in front of anyone my goodies and someone else just having toast. Specially someone who had surgery and is unable to cook. Your message was quite clear, even if they misinterpreted it, we adapt, improvise.

That's why I think she couldn't comprehend why OP was saying she couldn't cater and thought its as easy to make a sandwich for us as it is for her.... took umbridge and thought, well if that's the case we will bring OUR lunch and just our lunch, if that's what she wants and she can eat her own.

She was making a point and the other's with her all knew that which is why no one else offered the OP anything. I think she seriously expected OP to have made her own lunch. But having got the hump and wanting to make her point, she wasn't going to offer anything. Its the individual packaging and catering for specific sandwich orders that makes me think this.

Just thoughtless, lacking in imagination/empathy, maybe dismissing surgery as only a minor thing due to lack of thought or knowledge (or interest), and then offended as she views the lunch issue as a favour withdrawn for no reason and was probably saying to her self ... "well I would'nt have offered to drive there if I'd know we wouldn't even get lunch. "

So she sees driving to you as a favour and lunch as a return favour from you, and regards you as not keeping your part of the bargain, hence the offence taken, and doesn't have the wit (or the kindness) to credit your reasons for not doing lunch that day.
Its transactional and passive aggressive. Especially as she more or less ordered you to eat your own lunch (so they didn't have to feel guility) and then sat there and watched you struggle to get to kitchen to make ... toast.

it says a lot about her character to do this

I realise this is pure speculation on my part tho.